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Shifting gears...what do you guys think Myles argument for appeal is here? “Rudolph started it and provoked me” is a pretty lame defense, in my opinion...and arguing that Mason should have been fined/suspended as well makes no difference in regards to his own punishment.

I think the better argument to make is that an indefinite suspension for an on-field altercation is against the bargaining agreement, there is an already defined punishment for this in the rulebook, and the punishment is not even remotely consistent with similar incidents.
 
shoes22 said:
Shifting gears...what do you guys think Myles argument for appeal is here? “Rudolph started it and provoked me” is a pretty lame defense, in my opinion...and arguing that Mason should have been fined/suspended as well makes no difference in regards to his own punishment.

I think the better argument to make is that an indefinite suspension for an on-field altercation is against the bargaining agreement, there is an already defined punishment for this in the rulebook, and the punishment is not even remotely consistent with similar incidents.
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I would agree. Hopefully he can meet with the commish sooner than later and close the door on it and it stays for this season only.

There is no way this will get reduced.
 
WorldFreeB said:
The NFL can't let this happen again,,they can't have players yanking off players helmets and bashing each other over the head with them...that's what really
worries me about this as far as suspension goes. They have to make an example of him so no one else even thinks of doing it again.
Hopefully the suspension is only the rest of this year....
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Like stomping on another players head.....

5 games seemed to be plenty before.
 
shoes22 said:
Shifting gears...what do you guys think Myles argument for appeal is here? “Rudolph started it and provoked me” is a pretty lame defense, in my opinion...and arguing that Mason should have been fined/suspended as well makes no difference in regards to his own punishment.

I think the better argument to make is that an indefinite suspension for an on-field altercation is against the bargaining agreement, there is an already defined punishment for this in the rulebook, and the punishment is not even remotely consistent with similar incidents.
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I think you nailed it. From a logical and defense stand point everything you mentioned is what he should bring up and stay away from anything else.

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I also think he was provoked and was defending himself. Even after Garrett gets the helmet Rudolph continues to come after him.
 
Honestly the thing that scares me that no one seems to be talking about is that Myles was capable of losing it like this. Like how cant he get himself back in control after a full 60+ seconds. Its Ron Artest levels of not being able to control yourself, and I understand its a violent sport, and I get fists flying on the bottom of the pile, I even get Myles got pisses at Rudolph and rips off his helmet after Rudolph tried to do the same. But a full minute later being so pissed still that you use the helmet as a weapon?

That is scary he cant control himself.
 
Lord Mar said:
I would agree. Hopefully he can meet with the commish sooner than later and close the door on it and it stays for this season only.

There is no way this will get reduced.
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My reaction was that the NFL set the low-end of the punishment scale to the "rest of season and playoffs" so that any appeal will be more about just how far to cap/extend the "indefinite" suspension or whether to convert it to a "definite" suspension to accommodate the player's union. I also would be shocked if it got reduced.
 
AZ_ said:
She kept yelling at me, I had no choice but to bash her over the head, your honor.

I was only defending myself...
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Nah, not even close. Don't know why you gotta bring up "she" in this comparison. Garrett is totally in the wrong for his actions, as is the guy who 1. Kicked him in the nuts. 2. Pulled his helmet above his ears and I imagine that shit hurts.

Let a grown man kick you in the nuts, try to rip your helmet off while your ears are being pinched and crunched due to the tightness of the helmet. Are you going to be a little bitch and let that slide? I would hope not. The worse thing Myles did was swing the helmet. He should've stopped before that.
 
Real Deal said:
Nah, not even close. Don't know why you gotta bring up "she" in this comparison. Garrett is totally in the wrong for his actions, as is the guy who 1. Kicked him in the nuts. 2. Pulled his helmet above his ears and I imagine that shit hurts.

Let a grown man kick you in the nuts, try to rip your helmet off while your ears are being pinched and crunched due to the tightness of the helmet. Are you going to be a little bitch and let that slide? I would hope not. The worse thing Myles did was swing the helmet. He should've stopped before that.
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None of this excuses Garrett.

And yes, if Garrett stopped, he’d be fine.

But he didn’t, so I’m not sure what your point is other than just blindly defending the player and trying to excuse what he did as “provoked.”

Swinging the helmet at him wasn’t provoked, Garrett stepped way too far over the line.


This isn’t all the hard, IMO
 
AZ_ said:
None of this excuses Garrett.

And yes, if Garrett stopped, he’d be fine.

But he didn’t, so I’m not sure what your point is other than just blindly defending the player and trying to excuse what he did as “provoked.”

Swinging the helmet at him wasn’t provoked, Garrett stepped way too far over the line.


This isn’t all the hard, IMO
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I'm not defending the swinging of the helmet, it's considered a weapon in a fight, charges could be pressed. If someone swings a beer bottle on my head in a bar scrum, I'm most likely pressing charges, I understand all of that.

I will defend Myles all before the swing though. Any man would act as self defense to the bullshit Rudolph pulled. Garrett's mind had to be blank when he swung that helmet. I'm not excusing him of it, unfortunately we all lose with that mistake. I'm just saying, he isn't the only guilty one. Punk ass Rudolph was salty as fuck and instigated the situation, then plays victim.
 
Personally, I think an intentional shot to the nuts should be handled about the same as a punch to the face. Automatic ejection and a potential one game suspension depending on if it happened late in the game or not, as ejecting a guy with five seconds left in a decided game is a relatively meaningless punishment compared to a first quarter ejection.

Still think four games was the right punishment for Garrett, as I think you have to account for the fact that he was provoked and there was a massive brawl going on. That doesn't excuse what he did, which was remarkably stupid, but I think an indefinite suspension is bullshit and obviously the league trying to make sure he doesn't play again this year if the Browns make the playoffs.
 
shoes22 said:
Shifting gears...what do you guys think Myles argument for appeal is here? “Rudolph started it and provoked me” is a pretty lame defense, in my opinion...and arguing that Mason should have been fined/suspended as well makes no difference in regards to his own punishment.

I think the better argument to make is that an indefinite suspension for an on-field altercation is against the bargaining agreement, there is an already defined punishment for this in the rulebook, and the punishment is not even remotely consistent with similar incidents.
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As I posted earlier today, when the Texan DL ripped of Richie Incognito's helmet and swung it at his head, he received two preseason games and one regular season game ban. And that was not nearly as provoked as this. Let's not act like this is unprecedented. Also reminds me of when Roger Clemens threw a bat at Mike Pizza in the World Series. There were the clown takes of "assault with a deadly weapon" at that time as well, and I bet most on this board had forgotten that happened until now.

The best case may be to get it to six games TOTAL, with no playoff or 2020 ban. Let's define the ban. Indefinite seems ridicuouls considering the Incognito case which was arguably worse.

Myles was likely in "fight or flight" instinct mode when Rudolph came charging at him. Almost was a mob mentality of Steelers at that point, and that is where you actually do have a self defense argument.
 
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