Open Discussion (Cavs + related issues)

[MirORich]

Definitely not giving up Cedi for Melo. One helps solve our biggest problem since LeBron returned and the one that lack thereof got us our asses kicked in last year's Finals, perimeter defense, while the other perfectly encapsulates the losing philosophy (volume scoring) that...well, got us our asses kicked in the Finals.

And as for keeping LeBron, Gilbert isn't paying 34-year old Melo a max contract, so we can forget that. Not to mention that Cedi gives us much-needed youth on a rookie contract.

Basically I'm fine with pawning off our junk on the Knicks along with a 1st rounder for a year rental of Carmelo and that's it...anything else is errant and shortsighted.

If you're counting on Cedi playing Finals level perimeter defense(individual or team) in either of the next two seasons, I think you're way off. If he's here long term, I'm excited to watch his development. But the Cavs are not going to be counting on him as a playoffs contributor this year and likely not as a Finals contributor in 2018. The guy has a good skill set and showed out at EuroBasket, but he's yet to play a game against NBA players.

Melo on the Cavs is also not a one year rental. There will not be near 27M for him on the open market next summer. He will opt in and LeBron will re-sign

Volume shooting is not a problem when its efficient shooting. In a LeBron led offense, Melo would be highly efficient.

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

But the Cavs are not going to be counting on him as a playoffs contributor this year and likely not as a Finals contributor in 2018.

That's because we are the worst team in the league at developing talent and have Simple Jack himself as the head coach. The solution? Jettison the young, promising players you DO happen to land on (Delly, Osman) with skillsets you NEED for fossilized, one-dimensional bums like Carmelo fuckin' Anthony.

Everybody can't wait to see us look like the Toon Squad at halftime.

 

[iWx]

Melo being traded here would be one big mess. How the hell would you even manage the minutes? I have a hard time believing Lue could handle that.

Would be interesting to have IT/Lebron/Melo/Love/ + the Nets pick. Cavs would even have good depth. Seems too good to be true lol.

 

[MirORich]

That's because we are the worst team in the league at developing talent and have Simple Jack himself as the head coach. The solution? Jettison the young, promising players you DO happen to land on (Delly, Osman) with skillsets you NEED for fossilized, one-dimensional bums like Carmelo fuckin' Anthony.

Everybody can't wait to see us look like the Toon Squad at halftime.

We did develop help Delly. He got overpaid. He should thank us.

All other young draft picks were traded or drafted and stashed. Can't fail to develop what you don't have.

Lue has been coach for 1.5 seasons. Hardly enough time to cement a track record as a good developmental coach, especially when its Championship or bust in C-Town.

Yea, yeah "but Pop!" Pop has had his system in place for 20+ YEARS and has had steady stability in ownership that Cavs coaches could only dream of.

Freaking out and tirades about how Cedi Osman should be untouchable in a Melo deal that would land Melo here for two years and increase the likelihood that LeBron stays?!

And you'd still have Zicic(every bit the prospect Cedi is) and a likely top 5 pick in one of the best top heavy drafts in years.

The fact that you think Melo is a bum says enough. Especially on a team already stacked vs. being one of only 2-3 decent players in NYK that past few years.

If Koby can get a deal done with only the 2018 Cavs pick and trash, more power to him. I love Osmans game as a developmental wing, but I will trade him in a heartbeat for the added value of Melo for at least two more title runs.

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

The fact that you think Melo is a bum says enough.

He's a bum; treats defense with the same regard that a crackhead has for cuff links. I just watched the Cavs get obliterated...not beat, not bested, but scorch earthed by a team they defended with the sincerity of a Reverend Falwell apology.

I'm not trading any player who gives a damn about defense for somebody whose clearest understanding is building a wall through brick-laying. I've seen how that theory applies against the Durant-led Warriors and it's U-G-L-Y.

 

[Funkmastabuck]

Shump + Frye + Cedi + Felder = Carmelo

Come on Knicks. You don't want to give him a buyout? Then take this deal and get a Cedi out of it.

 

[sleepmaster]

If the best asset we offer is our 2018 1st, I definitely think NYK could consider just forcing Melo to report/expand his list or get a deal they like better. Maybe not though, but I disagree that he has zero value. His value is related to how hardline he plays his no trade clause and how willing NYK are willing to just let it ride and not move him unless they get enough.

I'd start by offering just the 2018 1st as the actual asset, but Cedi may need to be included to get the deal done.

Adding Melo:
-increases our odds at the title this year
-increases the chances LeBron re-signs in the summer
-increases the odds Wade joins after buyout(although some feel that's guaranteed already)
-consolidates our roster; currently at 17, deal would be 3 or 4 for 1

If you can do that while keeping Love, Crowder, the Nets pick, and Zicic, I think you have to consider, and I say that as someone very excited to see how Cedi develops in the NBA

I don't understand the eagerness to trade for Melo now when the trade deadline and playoffs are so far off, season hasn't even started yet. I doubt the Knicks have the resolve to keep him that long. Figuring out which to get rid of from Felder-Tavares-Calderon is not a good enough reason to suddenly make life easy for New York. We're behind Golden State enough that if Melo is gonna end up on the Cavs, he's gotta be a team player and stay hardline with his no trade clause before he gets on the roster. With offering Cavs 2018 first, you lose the ability to trade the Nets pick. That's a huge loss in flexibility to upgrade the roster. You only do this trade if you have inside info that Lebron will likely stay with the Cavs, not just that it will increase his chances.

 

[pinoycavsfan]

The cavs need to replace kyrie irving's uncanny ability to score in clutch situations which is vital against gsw. I believe melo will provide us with that. Losing an unproven talent (cedi) for an allstar is a no brainer. Would love to see lbj/crowder/melo/love/tt line up!

 

[Raja khan]

Yall act like Cedi is untouchable, oh please. Lue has no intentions of playing him.

Melo, even at 33, can still score and take over games. Do you guys remember what happens when Lebron sits on the bench? We're not gonna beat the warriors with Cedi, gtfo.

With that being said, I hope the Cavs are only offering scrubs and and a 1st rounder for Melo.

 

[Snarly]

Yall act like Cedi is untouchable, oh please. Lue has no intentions of playing him.

Melo, even at 33, can still score and take over games. Do you guys remember what happens when Lebron sits on the bench? We're not gonna beat the warriors with Cedi, gtfo.

With that being said, I hope the Cavs are only offering scrubs and and a 1st rounder for Melo.

Their own first and Cedi Mixed with Jefferson and Shump and or Frye would get it done. I assume they want more but Cedi and a first round pick is good assets wise. Another team can top them but What can they offer? Adams is like TT in OKC so there goes the biggest asset. Also Huston can not make anything work because they need a team to take on a bad contract when no team is in power to do so. Unless the Cavs do in a third team deal but we still need Melo in the deal so no can do. Basically OKC and the Cavs have the most and best to offer. Portland... no way, no fucking way.

 

[Snarly]

The cavs need to replace kyrie irving's uncanny ability to score in clutch situations which is vital against gsw. I believe melo will provide us with that. Losing an unproven talent (cedi) for an allstar is a no brainer. Would love to see lbj/crowder/melo/love/tt line up!

There is a reason we need to get rid of at least four players to add Melo and Wade. I think the stockpile means Melo will be here at least. We might have to give up Osman and Zizic though, along with RJ and Frye.

 

[FrontPageNews]

I wanna cock smack the next person who suggests adding cedi to a melo trade.

 

[wajdi]

I wanna cock smack the next person who suggests adding cedi to a melo trade.

Agree with you! I would never trade Osman for Melo and I dont understand all this love for Melo who is an iso-player who doesnt play any defense! Do you imagine Melo and IT in the same lineup vs the GSW?

 

[buzzdog]

I’d hate to lose tavares and be left with no rim protector again. We seen that last year and it wasn’t pretty. I don’t think zizic is ready to be that at this point. I’m hoping it’s felder and Calderon. I know it would leave us without a backup PG until IT gets back but we shouldn’t waste a roster spot on another backup PG who can’t play a lick of defender and who’s offensive skills are diminishing.

It's hard to defend the rim when your ass is firmly glued to the pine.

I have generally defended Lue but on this point I agree, Lue sucks when it comes to willingness or desire to develop young players, and Lue sucks with his over reliance on older washed up players.

 

[raiders91sc]

I would give up Cedi for Melo in a heartbeat. Odds are Cedi will barely avg 10 pts a game in his career. What about this lineup:

IT/Rose
JR/Kover
Lebron/Crowder
Melo/Green
Cousins/Frey