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Why would anyone create a simulation where we have so many problems all the time.

You'd think if it really were a simulation we would have created it to simulate almost a perfect existence where you don't have to deal with things like depression, anxiety, etc.
Yeah. Actually it's both freeing and terrifying to think about the fact that nothing actually matters. But we also have the ability to make shit matter to us because of how our minds work, so we can't just opt out (well you literally can but that's pointless).

Either way, I'm curious about Gouri's claim that the simulation theory is persuasive, because it seems really far fetch to me. It's about as far fetched to me as there being a God that created every detail of the universe... Like why are things the way they are? THIS is the world you chose to build? Huh? I feel like if that were the case, why also give us imaginations that can come up with more spectacular shit? The motive behind a simulation makes no sense to me. I suppose a Matrixy type situation could exist, but the cruel ambivalence of the universe tells me this is the real one.



When it comes to extraterrestrial shit I am highly skeptical. My assumption is always that there is a realistic explanation. Same as this case... But we haven't gotten that explanation yet have we?


Why would anyone create this?

Name a better tv show.
 
So assuming there’s a simulation...is it 13 billion years old? Or are we being lied to?

@gourimoko that’s where the disappointment comes in.

I mean the universe and all the research and wonder about it is pretty exciting. To find out it’s all siMulated and a lie would kinda suck.
 
So assuming there’s a simulation...is it 13 billion years old? Or are we being lied to?

@gourimoko that’s where the disappointment comes in.

I mean the universe and all the research and wonder about it is pretty exciting. To find out it’s all siMulated and a lie would kinda suck.

Unless it was created for you, and you alone, or a small group to live out all the lives of every human being in the history of the universe. Or progressively a life every x amount of years.

Just to see how far you/we can make it in said universe....
 
Unless it was created for you, and you alone, or a small group to live out all the lives of every human being in the history of the universe. Or progressively a life every x amount of years.

Just to see how far you/we can make it in said universe....

I don’t understand your post. Meet me in Russell and fight to the death.
 
OK, so...

Is there a way to determine whether what we are experiencing is a reality or simply a simulation?

Maybe... but it depends on the extent of the simulation.

In effect, a complex enough quantum experiment could be devised where you could test the computational limits of an exterior (quantum) processing system.

However.... So you might end up with physics-breaking results from such an experiment, detectable (at a distance) frame-dragging, or ... the universe might conspire to hide such an experiments detectable flaws by shrouding any experiment with sufficient complexity inside a small enough confine behind an event horizon (i.e., any machine complex enough to run such an experiment might be so massive as to undergo gravitational collapse).

If the simulation were simple enough (with respect to computational power) then it might not be terribly difficult to detect.

What characteristics does reality possess that a simulation doesn't (or can't) possess?

A simulation should be bound by the computational limits of the processing system. So, loosely, if we think of this in terms of an increased number of qubits equating to the increased degree of quantum computing capability; one could argue (again, very loosely), that the simulation would only be able to compute sufficient complex interactions over a maximum amount of events, simultaneously.

However, given that actions that happen simultaneously are not, by definition, causally connected, it may not be necessary to process them simultaneously at all - or even in sequence.

A smart engineer building a simulation would probably come to the same conclusion and process event sequences "out-of-order," through a process called pipelining (in CS). You could further add in a superscalar architecture to your quantum computer allowing for greater simultaneous computational capability.

Inside the simulation, you could hide this from those living within the simulation by creating a time differential; such that, one clock cycle outside the simulation could be the equivalent to 100 inside the simulation. This would allow you to achieve an arbitrarily high multiple of computational power without needing a larger processing system -- just more memory to store data.

The effect for someone living inside such a simulation is that time for them would pass far slower than for someone outside the simulation.

What are the emergent properties of reality that do not (or cannot) manifest within a simulation?

If the simulation was a perfect quantum representation of our fundamental (and unified laws) of physics (which we don't have yet, as you know) then I don't think there are any. It should be near-perfect, if not perfect, again, within computational limits and assuming the universe can be completed described with quantum mechanics (I would assume it can be).

Can a theoretical simulation be designed that is absolutely indistinguishable from reality from every point within the simulation "superspace" such that only an observer not confined by the simulation would be able to tell if said "superspace" is real or simulated?

I would think so, however, if you're saying that someone inside the simulation could not, under any circumstances, detect they were in a simulation; then again, you'd need to refer to the aforementioned caveats.

If yes, then it would seem that Academic Skepticism (in the Classical sense) would be the only reasonable position to take with respect to knowledge. Literally everything would be "degrees of uncertainty". Even mathematics and "logic" could not be completely trusted.

I suppose that depends on how one philosophically defines "reality." Reality is very likely really subjective when we most often mean to use it in an objective sense. That isn't to say that objective reality doesn't exist -- it likely does; but it's rarely what we're referring to. IMHO.
 
Why would anyone create a simulation where we have so many problems all the time.

You'd think if it really were a simulation we would have created it to simulate almost a perfect existence where you don't have to deal with things like depression, anxiety, etc.

Because the point of a simulation is to live and not realize you're in a simulation... Because, many people couldn't handle knowing something like that... Read @billmac91 's post, he's not alone in his thinking; hell, he's probably in the majority.

A lot of people would question everything that allows for a society to even exist, including the ideas behind ethics, and laws.

I mean.. imagine if you knew killing someone wasn't real. It was just a videogame, you weren't actually killing ANYONE... No one was physically harmed whatsoever, they just lost time, in an eternal sea of time. Is that REALLY the same thing? No, right?

So.. it's best if people don't know.. and it's best if the simulation is so REAL such that, by the time they can figure it out, they can likely build a simulation of their own (see: us in the not-so-distant future).
 
Either way, I'm curious about Gouri's claim that the simulation theory is persuasive, because it seems really far fetch to me. It's about as far fetched to me as there being a God that created every detail of the universe... Like why are things the way they are? THIS is the world you chose to build? Huh? I feel like if that were the case, why also give us imaginations that can come up with more spectacular shit? The motive behind a simulation makes no sense to me. I suppose a Matrixy type situation could exist, but the cruel ambivalence of the universe tells me this is the real one.

I think a lot of folks are assuming the simulation would be "built" ... as in, there would be some engineer or programmer designing society and our civilization, and picking and choosing winners and losers.. I highly doubt that's how any simulation would work that was intended on being realistic and free..

If you wanted to build a simulation where the inhabitants were free to do as they wish, for as long as they wish; and you had the ability to simulate the universe; then it would stand to reason that you would create a simulation of the universe, and put people's minds into that simulation at some arbitrary point along the development of a species that either is them, or resembles them closely enough.

So you could, in effect, simulate human evolution, up to a point, and then inject human consciousness inside the simulation -- assuming we built the simulation. OR.. you could be even lazier and just find a civilization within the universe; you could do this by waiting out the simulation, finding evidence of a space-faring race, then rolling the universe back to their origin point and injecting your consciousnesses at some point in their development.

Or.. again, we might not be in the simulator group at all; and are just manifest from the universe, so there is no grand plan, we're just living in a simulation, with no one watching what WE are doing, but focused on some other part of the universe entirely.

So I think there is an assumption in your logic that we are somehow special; and I'm not positing that whatsoever. We very well might just be a side-effect of someone else's simulation.
 
What behavior and activities would people no longer engage in if they knew we were in a simulation? I don't see it taking away from anything that I currently do. My laundry still gets dirty, I still want to check on rcf, I still give biological (and other) drives to find a wife etc.. Reality still exists even if it's axiom isn't what I thought it was. Nothing else changes.
 
So assuming there’s a simulation...is it 13 billion years old? Or are we being lied to?

It's 13 billion years old for those of us living in the simulation; but ... think about it .. what does that really mean? Like, 13 billion years old, relative to .. what? Space and time are relative, so, the question is basically meaningless in the context that we're discussing.

@gourimoko that’s where the disappointment comes in.

Not sure what you mean...

I mean the universe and all the research and wonder about it is pretty exciting. To find out it’s all siMulated and a lie would kinda suck.

I don't get why? I honestly don't understand... our simulation would likely be modeled after a higher reality, since that would be the easiest frame of reference to construct a simulated reality, right? It might be tweaked a bit to conceal flaws (again, the universe does appear to conspire against certain things, like closed timelike curves or naked singularities, etc).... but, that might also be true of the parent reality, outside the simulation (which could be a simulation itself).
 
What behavior and activities would people no longer engage in if they knew we were in a simulation? I don't see it taking away from anything that I currently do. My laundry still gets dirty, I still want to check on rcf, I still give biological (and other) drives to find a wife etc.. Reality still exists even if it's axiom isn't what I thought it was. Nothing else changes.

You might think life has less value and start killing people.... ESPECIALLY if you knew you were part of the simulator group and would just get reset. People might be far more willing to kill or commit suicide, or to rape, etc, because they didn't think it was a permanent or physically harmful situation (even though it still is, at least, philosophically speaking and IMHO).
 
You might think life has less value and start killing people.... ESPECIALLY if you knew you were part of the simulator group and would just get reset. People might be far more willing to kill or commit suicide, or to rape, etc, because they didn't think it was a permanent or physically harmful situation (even though it still is, at least, philosophically speaking and IMHO).

So you can spend the rest of your simulated time in prison?
 

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