Racial Tension in the U.S.

[David.]

No. I don't deal in broad generalities when it comes to race. All black people? How do you define better? All sports? All white people? It's just a sentence that doesn't mean anything when you break it down, yet you hear the sentiment echoed over and over.

My turn. Do you think white people are marginalized in the United States? You started talking about how you don't want people to "marginalize your race" last night, and I was wondering if you really buy into that. I'm a white male who has lived in the Midwest and East Coast, in middle class and lower class neighborhoods, even predominately African-american and Hispanic neighborhoods. And the funny thing? In my time on this earth I have never once felt I was marginalized because of my "whiteness". Fascinated to hear what that must feel like.

Ill change it up.

Are Chinese women shorter than white american men?

Yes, there are general truths. It doesn't mean every asian woman is shorter than every white man.

The nba is 90% black or something close. Do you think affirmative action should require 5'9 Mexican people in the nba?

 

[Sebastian]

Ill change it up.

Are Chinese women shorter than white american men?

Yes, there are general truths. It doesn't mean every asian woman is shorter than every white man.

The nba is 90% black or something close. Do you think affirmative action should require 5'9 Mexican people in the nba?

Women are shorter than men in general.

Also, we have learned that once Asians adopt a Western diet heavy in meat (and dairy if they can handle it, most can't) they tend to be as tall as Europeans.

I visited Korea a few years back and was shocked at how tall the younger generation is. Very little difference between them and guys in a typical Midwestern (guys are taller in the Midwest) city.

Whereas it is true certain ethnic stock tend to be taller, bigger, run better etc., in terms of race there is no broad correlation. A white person could be someone from Spain who is much shorter than a Swede on average. Africans from Ghana have a much different build than the Masi of Kenya etc.

 

[David.]

Women are shorter than men in general.

Also, we have learned that once Asians adopt a Western diet heavy in meat (and dairy if they can handle it, most can't) they tend to be as tall as Europeans.

I visited Korea a few years back and was shocked at how tall the younger generation is. Very little difference between them and guys in a typical Midwestern (guys are taller in the Midwest) city.

Right, but generally, people pf various asian ethnicities are shorter than white americans. Even if the samples are exclusively men.

You are more than free to unpack that, but it doesnt make a fact backed with empirical data any less true.

 

[Sebastian]

Right, but generally, people pf various asian ethnicities are shorter than white americans. Even if the samples are exclusively men.

You are more than free to unpack that, but it doesnt make a fact backed with empirical data any less true.

I would say the generalization of Asians being shorter gets a grade of INC. More time is necessary on the generational scale to determine if diet or genes are the primary control for the height of the East Asian populations you mention.

 

[David.]

I would say the generalization of Asians being shorter gets a grade of INC. More time is necessary on the generational scale to determine if diet or genes are the primary control for the height of the East Asian populations you mention.

But that goes right back to unpacking. Youre attmepting to find causation, statistics and statements dont necessarily need to detect that.

Chinese citizens generally have higher iqs than american citizens.

Its a true statement. We can easily come up with a couple handfulls of reasons, objections, need for clarification etc, but that statement is still true.

White poor 60 year old men from alabama generally have a higher chance of voting for trump.

Thats a fact. Its not racism, classism, ageism, sexism, stateism.

 

[Sebastian]

But that goes right back to unpacking. Youre attmepting to find causation, statistics and statements dont necessarily need to detect that.

Chinese citizens generally have higher iqs than american citizens.

Its a true statement. We can easily come up with a couple handfulls of reasons, objections, need for clarification etc, but that statement is still true.

White poor 60 year old men from alabama generally have a higher chance of voting for trump.

Thats a fact. Its not racism, classism, ageism, sexism, stateism.

In that event height is just a bad example. We know for a fact diet is a major factor in someone's height. Unlike IQ, factors like diet are very determinate in height, weight, overall health.

Americans are six inches taller than they were a hundred years ago. Nothing to do with race. Everything to do with diet.

 

[David.]

In that event height is just a bad example. We know for a fact diet is a major factor in someone's height. Unlike IQ, factors like diet are very determinate in height, weight, overall health.

Americans are six inches taller than they were a hundred years ago. Nothing to do with race. Everything to do with diet.

Its not a bad example for what I've consistently been saying. Statistics are not racist and there are general truths that allow exception. And that your race doesnt make anyone better than anyone else.

Your conclusion on height, as given, is not complete. Diet can be a factor, as can race, and genetics. Biology in your response of men v women. Americans being six inches taller could be due to several reasons. I dont think alotting all of the weight to diet would be fair, or true, and likely impossible to confirm.

 

[gourimoko]

But that goes right back to unpacking. Youre attmepting to find causation, statistics and statements dont necessarily need to detect that.

The whole point is to determine if race is a factor; if it's not, then your statement is meaningless. The determination here is called a causative relationship because you're attempting to find causation, not simply pointing to correlation which could be, again, meaningless.

Chinese citizens generally have higher iqs than american citizens.

According to what?

Its a true statement. We can easily come up with a couple handfulls of reasons, objections, need for clarification etc, but that statement is still true.

But.. it's not.

I'm not really sure if you understand what the statement means. I think you might assume that it means that Chinese people have higher IQs than Americans; which, I would argue, is very likely to be false considering the difference in standard of living and education.

White poor 60 year old men from alabama generally have a higher chance of voting for trump.

That has nothing to do with the statements you've made about inherent traits like height or intelligence.

Thats a fact. Its not racism, classism, ageism, sexism, stateism.

Your post is almost devoid of facts.

 

[gourimoko]

Diet can be a factor, as can race, and genetics.

How can "race" be a factor in height?

You've juxtaposed two true statements around a false one.

Yes, diet and genetics can be a factor in height; absolutely.

Race has nothing to do with your height. At all.

Your statements continue to show that you do not understand what race actually is... Like, at a fundamental level you do not understand what the term "race" means, and why it's absurd to continue to look to it to derive causative association with various traits you observe in people such as height, intelligence, or behavioral predisposition.

Dave... what's sad about this entire conversation is that I understand where you're getting this nonsense from; and I understand that in the lens of racial resentment, one has to think in terms of race.

But once you realize that you're really referring to ethnic traits, and then you realize that there is no such thing as a Black or White ethnicity -- those aren't ethnicities, and that two Black people standing next to each other in line might have more genetic diversity between them than one random Black guy and one random White guy (because they don't share many ethnic traits); then you'll begin to realize how idiotic this conversation really is and why it's so annoying.

 

[camakazee]

It's times like this that I wonder if david is posting all of this for a school project and we've just become subjects in his trolling log.

I also wonder how someone on a forum dedicated to an NBA team can state the NBA is 90% black

 

[David.]

It's times like this that I wonder if david is posting all of this for a school project and we've just become subjects in his trolling log.

I also wonder how someone on a forum dedicated to an NBA team can state the NBA is 90% black

Well its 75% which is hardly that far off, genius.

Was that your best call to my egregiousness? It failed terribly

 

[gourimoko]

Well its 75% which is hardly that far off, genius.

Was that your best call to my egregiousness? It failed terribly

The restaurants are dominated by "Mexicans"
NBA is "90% Black..."

Cops are "White."

The Department of Justice was "Black" a few months ago.

Crazy how one .. can get to this point?

 

[camakazee]

Well its 75% which is hardly that far off, genius.

Was that your best call to my egregiousness? It failed terribly

Did your Intro to Psych professor give you an A when you got a 75% on your test?

 

[David.]

Did your Intro to Psych professor give you an A when you got a 75% on your test?

Awful.

 

[The Oi]

Loving.

Best thread on the site right now.