Second half 22 GM Thread!

[CDAV45]

We brought Leon and Maile into camp... It wouldn't be a surprise to have both back...

I think the Leon days are over. They very well may decide to keep Maile around in his last season of arbitration, but our future starting C is already on the roster.
Again, if we really take a close look at the current roster and the near ready talent on the farm, what exactly does this team need that it doesn't already have? I've expressed an interest in a RH bat at C/1B, but if that were to happen they will be hamstringing themselves at DH. I do see an advantage to having someone like Jansen to split C duties with Bo. Outside of that, there really isn't much to do.

It's going to get real hairy when Valera and Rocchio are ready to go. They might decide to deal one of Straw or Brennan at some point and I know which one I'd rather see in a different uniform.

 

[petes999]

They might decide to deal one of Straw or Brennan at some point and I know which one I'd rather see in a different uniform.

Meanwhile Straw has a 2.7 WAR this year and may have made a catch or two yesterday that Brennan wouldn't have made, who knows. We gushed over the actual game saving defense of Ramirez and Naylor as we know the run would have scored but Straw's defense may have been just as important. And, his .286 BA (3 for 7) and .375 OBP went unnoticed as Kwan was 0 for 9 and .100 OBP couldn't drive him over and in.

I know playoffs are about hitting long-ball, the few mistakes. But, Seattle came back yesterday with 10 run on 13 hits and only 1 HR. You need some people to get on for the HR guys to clean-up. But, you also need consistency which our young players don't have yet (in pressure situation).

I personally would like them to split the duties next year and see what happens ... definitely some splits that could use a little platooning for each.

 

[sportscoach]

Meanwhile Straw has a 2.7 WAR this year and may have made a catch or two yesterday that Brennan wouldn't have made, who knows. We gushed over the actual game saving defense of Ramirez and Naylor as we know the run would have scored but Straw's defense may have been just as important. And, his .286 BA (3 for 7) and .375 OBP went unnoticed as Kwan was 0 for 9 and .100 OBP couldn't drive him over and in.

I know playoffs are about hitting long-ball, the few mistakes. But, Seattle came back yesterday with 10 run on 13 hits and only 1 HR. You need some people to get on for the HR guys to clean-up. But, you also need consistency which our young players don't have yet (in pressure situation).

I personally would like them to split the duties next year and see what happens ... definitely some splits that could use a little platooning for each.

I don't think we have too many issues getting everyone in every day for the most part...

If we come back with the same lineup and crew next season...

1B Naylor, 2B/SS Gimenez, 2B/SS Freeman/Arias/Rosario, 3B JRam, LF Kwan, CF Straw, RF OGonz, C Naylor .. Then OF Brennan, C Maile/Backup, then three UTIL guys...

So you can rotate and sub as needed. Our roster will be extremely flexible...

We do lack RH power, but outside of that we really don't any holes on the roster...

 

[petes999]

We do lack RH power, but outside of that we really don't any holes on the roster...

Some of that is going to be solved in a year or so...

Arias either at SS or utility sub (2nd/SS/3rd/LF)
Noel either at 1B or DH in early 2024 (nice LHP splits at min)
Lavastida - 9 HR in a bad hitting year and 321 ABs
Some guy called Bob either at RF or DH

Yes, a Jansen type would help. We had shots if we traded Ramirez, we could have had Kirk or if Bieber, maybe Vargas. But, those type trades you got to give up something to get something. It will take leverage; something the other team needs just not 3-4 prospects for Jansen as Toronto (and half the other teams like us) is also 40 man crunch right now.

And don't sleep on that Martinez kid 13 HR in 363 AB at age 20. If Rocchio doesn't pan out ... or even if he does and Gimenez won't resign (for post-2025 FA), he can start shifting into our lineup sometime in 2024.

 

[sportscoach]

@DCTribefan 's post...

So we now may have parameters for a McStixx contract extension.

The $75MM guarantee for Strider shatters any prior precedent for pitchers with such limited experience. Prior to this deal, the five-year, $35MM contract Madison Bumgarner signed with the Giants more than a decade ago stood as the record extension for a pitcher with between one and two years of service time. (Strider is currently at 1.003 years.) This new contract not only finally topples that dated mark (in decisive fashion), it also surpasses the established extension records for pitchers with two to three years of service time (Blake Snell’s five-year, $50MM deal) and even with three to four years of service (Sandy Alcantara’s five-year, $56MM deal).

Because extensions, more so than free-agent contracts, draw heavily from recent comparables, the Strider deal in many ways paves the way for new precedent to be established in multiple service classes. That’s not to say every pitcher with between one and four years of service time will now require $75MM+ to sign an extension, of course; Strider’s case as a Rookie of the Year frontrunner and budding ace is far from the norm.

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[sportscoach]

@DCTribefan 's post...

So we now may have parameters for a McStixx contract extension.

The $75MM guarantee for Strider shatters any prior precedent for pitchers with such limited experience. Prior to this deal, the five-year, $35MM contract Madison Bumgarner signed with the Giants more than a decade ago stood as the record extension for a pitcher with between one and two years of service time. (Strider is currently at 1.003 years.) This new contract not only finally topples that dated mark (in decisive fashion), it also surpasses the established extension records for pitchers with two to three years of service time (Blake Snell’s five-year, $50MM deal) and even with three to four years of service (Sandy Alcantara’s five-year, $56MM deal).

Because extensions, more so than free-agent contracts, draw heavily from recent comparables, the Strider deal in many ways paves the way for new precedent to be established in multiple service classes. That’s not to say every pitcher with between one and four years of service time will now require $75MM+ to sign an extension, of course; Strider’s case as a Rookie of the Year frontrunner and budding ace is far from the norm.

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For some reason it wasnt letting me add the original post @DCTribefan so don't mind the post...

But I thought it would be very good to add here...

From what we can see... McKenzie is a free agent in 27... Thats four more seasons.... Likely going 700-800K in 23, probably 3-5 in 24, 7-10 in 25 and probably 15-17 in 26 if he keeps progressing well... So thats 34 million over the next 4 seasons... Have to add in another 40 area for free agency for years 5-6 in an extension, so around 74 on the high end...

I think if we offer the similar 6/75 with a front loader first year like we did with JRam, It should get the deal done...

This will sound strange, but I think it would be smart... 12 range in 23, when our total payroll in down... then we start from like 7, 10, 12, 14, 20 for the rest of his contract, with some type of team/mutual option for the last season... That guarantees him the money he would normally projected to have...

Then we have to look at Gimenez...

I would do a similar setup, maybe even a similar level of contract... Do you think we could try them both with the same contract?

 

[sportscoach]

Looking at this team and the prospects that are coming behind them, it's exciting to see fewer and fewer obvious needs for next year. To me they are:

1) A platoon partner for Josh Naylor.

I love Josh, but he's looked pretty rough against LHP. Owen Miller isn't the answer at 1B either. This lineup gets exposed a bit by tough lefties. A reunion with Carlos Santana would make a lot of sense, but he may still be able to get a full-time role elsewhere.

2) Offense at C, CF

Myles Straw's overall numbers are awful, but it looks like he's figured it out, so we may be able to remove CF here. Naylor should provide an internal answer at C, pairing him with the vet in Hedges.

3) LHP Reliever

Hentges looks like the real deal, but I'd still like to add another reliable lefty to the pen next year. Andrew Chafin or Taylor Rogers would fit.

Fill these needs, work out a few extensions, and let's keep this rolling.

May as well move this here as well...

I think most people agree with adding a platoon partner with Naylor, More offense with C and CF and I agree with the LHRP, but...

We probably aren't going to target veterans... I think we will target guys who will fit the roster long term... The question is exactly who?

My plan would be to find a way to move Plesac, Rosario, Jones, Tena and Palacios, while getting a Vargas from the Dodgers type, a LHRP with control/that can pitch in high leverage situations while getting prospects that were sign/drafted in 21 or 22... This would setup our roster perfectly for protecting Martinez, Cantillo, Battenfield, Hankins and maybe one more/keeping a spot open for the rule 5 draft...

 

[CDAV45]

Meanwhile Straw has a 2.7 WAR this year and may have made a catch or two yesterday that Brennan wouldn't have made, who knows. We gushed over the actual game saving defense of Ramirez and Naylor as we know the run would have scored but Straw's defense may have been just as important. And, his .286 BA (3 for 7) and .375 OBP went unnoticed as Kwan was 0 for 9 and .100 OBP couldn't drive him over and in.

I know playoffs are about hitting long-ball, the few mistakes. But, Seattle came back yesterday with 10 run on 13 hits and only 1 HR. You need some people to get on for the HR guys to clean-up. But, you also need consistency which our young players don't have yet (in pressure situation).

I personally would like them to split the duties next year and see what happens ... definitely some splits that could use a little platooning for each.

I didn't see a single play made by Straw that Brennan wouldn't/couldn't have made. Trust me when I say that Straw isn't the only one of the two with a penchant for making spectacular plays. Straw provided .9 oWAR over the course of 535 AB. He has an OPS+ of 65. That's 35% worse than the average player. Many here heap praises on Kwan like he's the best rookie this organization has ever had. Well guess what, Brennan is performing better.

Regardless, there are going to be a few guys moved, and I have no inclination what they may or may not do. All I know is that Straw and Hedges have been terrible offensive burdens to this team for the lion's share of the season. I would have addressed the issue a long time ago, but alas, I hold no sort of power. You all defense/no offense lovers should appreciate that.

 

[CDAV45]

May as well move this here as well...

I think most people agree with adding a platoon partner with Naylor, More offense with C and CF and I agree with the LHRP, but...

We probably aren't going to target veterans... I think we will target guys who will fit the roster long term... The question is exactly who?

My plan would be to find a way to move Plesac, Rosario, Jones, Tena and Palacios, while getting a Vargas from the Dodgers type, a LHRP with control/that can pitch in high leverage situations while getting prospects that were sign/drafted in 21 or 22... This would setup our roster perfectly for protecting Martinez, Cantillo, Battenfield, Hankins and maybe one more/keeping a spot open for the rule 5 draft...

You're for taking AB's away from OGon? That's what will happen if they pick up someone like Vargas. It's either that or OGon plays RF full time reducing AB for guys like Brennan and/or Valera. You should be hoping and praying for more playing time for Brennan, not less.

 

[sportscoach]

You're for taking AB's away from OGon? That's what will happen if they pick up someone like Vargas. It's either that or OGon plays RF full time reducing AB for guys like Brennan and/or Valera. You should be hoping and praying for more playing time for Brennan, not less.

You know Vargas plays 1B, 2B, 3B (although terribly) and LF right...

He would be taking Miller's spot...

 

[CDAV45]

You know Vargas plays 1B, 2B, 3B (although terribly) and LF right...

He would be taking Miller's spot...

He's a 1B/LF/DH, and what are they going to do with Miller? How about Arias? Then there's Freeman? We don't know for sure what the plans are for Rosario. Rocchio is surely to see time in Cleveland next season. We have 8 OFers to sort through. The roster is a jumbled up mess. A good jumbled up mess, but a jumbled up mess nonetheless.

 

[sportscoach]

He's a 1B/LF/DH, and what are they going to do with Miller? How about Arias? Then there's Freeman? We don't know for sure what the plans are for Rosario. Rocchio is surely to see time in Cleveland next season. We have 8 OFers to sort through. The roster is a jumbled up mess. A good jumbled up mess, but a jumbled up mess nonetheless.

Vargas has the same amount of Innings at 1B/2B and LF... so that's his positions outside of 3B, which he has played over 2K in innings at. So you cannot say he doesn't play 2B... Edit: to clear up what I meant is he has 2K in innings at 3B and about 200 at the other three positions I mentioned. So he plays 2B, and that's a fact...

Either way you aren't wrong, but anyone we pick up we will have to figure how the roster works. We gotta find someone with RH pop that can play multiple positions, if we are going to acquire someone outside of C from.outside the organization...

 

[KluberSociety]

Going into next season I want to see Straw as the mostly full time CF, Brennan as the mostly full time RF and OGonz as the mostly full time DH. I don't know why we'd be worried about Straw at all who is more than handling his spot.

This leaves a RH platoon bat to pick up who doesn't always have to take Naylor out of the lineup (sometimes could take Brennan out of the lineup as well by shifting OGonz over to RF).

As for Valera let's worry about that problem when we need to. For all we know he could spend all of 2023 in AAA.

 

[CDAV45]

Vargas has the same amount of Innings at 1B/2B and LF... so that's his positions outside of 3B, which he has played over 2K in innings at. So you cannot say he doesn't play 2B... Edit: to clear up what I meant is he has 2K in innings at 3B and about 200 at the other three positions I mentioned. So he plays 2B, and that's a fact...

Either way you aren't wrong, but anyone we pick up we will have to figure how the roster works. We gotta find someone with RH pop that can play multiple positions, if we are going to acquire someone outside of C from.outside the organization...

We need Jansen or somebody like him. It comes down to that really because the AB are at C and 1B.....maybe. Even then Naylor is likely to DH when he isn't playing 1B so that basically creates a similar issue to what I mentioned.

 

[CDAV45]

Going into next season I want to see Straw as the mostly full time CF, Brennan as the mostly full time RF and OGonz as the mostly full time DH. I don't know why we'd be worried about Straw at all who is more than handling his spot.

This leaves a RH platoon bat to pick up who doesn't always have to take Naylor out of the lineup (sometimes could take Brennan out of the lineup as well by shifting OGonz over to RF).

As for Valera let's worry about that problem when we need to. For all we know he could spend all of 2023 in AAA.

Sure, Straw plays a great CF. He also hits like a 5 yr old. Brennan plays an above average CF and hits like Kwan or better. Which is more desirable?

If they can make a move for a big RH hitting RFer that plays good defense moving OGon to DH and Straw to 4th OFer then I could live with that. Use Valera to help get that for all I care.