So Long, Jadeveon Clowney

[The Oi]

Honestly it’s never usually a good idea when you practically have to beg a guy to come to your team.

Berry pursued him relentlessly. He laughed at us and signed with Tenn then Berry kept trying and trying and we got him. And even after a good year, we had to basically beg him to come back.

In any kind of relationship, that’s not gonna end well.

Not promising for Deshaun then.

 

[Los216]

This scheme or lack of scheme that Joe Woods runs upfront does leave alot to be desired for guys who depend on sacks. It really depends on the player to beat their matchup and there isn't anything scheme wise to help create confusion to the opposing offensive line. Offensive lines can settle into protections that work because there is little to no variation from play to play on who is coming and from where.

I could see how a player could get annoyed that another is getting an easier matchup even if it isn't true. They aren't even moving around the 4 d-linemen to give guys shots at different matchups during the game. If they were shifting Clowney and Garrett from side to side, Clowney probably would realize Garrett wasn't getting an easier matchup. There is a little to no scheming to find which matchup we can exploit throughout the game.

I’m all for hearing arguments about how the scheme might be holding some of our defensive players back but when you play opposite the most double teamed player in the entire league there’s not a lot of arguments for you to make about scheme and opportunities.

 

[inliner311]

I’m all for hearing arguments about how the scheme might be holding some of our defensive players back but when you play opposite the most double teamed player in the entire league there’s not a lot of arguments for you to make about scheme and opportunities.

I agree that Clowney really shouldn't have been targeting Garrett with his frustrations. I bet he just wanted to be done with the Browns and wanted to just move on.

I think there are more to matchup in the trenches than easy vs hard matchups. Different attributes or moves or even how the opposing player is feeling that day could impact a matchup. A double team can sometimes be easier than going one on one against a top tier left tackle. If Joe Woods is just having the same players going against each other down after down you will never find out if there is something another player can beat on a different matchup.

They are basically put into one on one match up like boxers to go 9 rounds. I could see them having boxers mentalities because of it and looking the others matchup as something they could exploited for some random reason. Like my swim move would have beat that double team easily, even if that's right or wrong.

 

[bushwick_bill]

I bet tons of team will be lining up to sign Clowney to a big contract this off-season…

 

[33Y0]

I bet tons of team will be lining up to sign Clowney to a big contract this off-season…

No one wanted him last season outside of us. Now that he's had a worse season than last and does this shit, good luck my dude. Let me know how this bs works out for ya.

 

[southernflyer]

Is Clowney an a$$hat? Yes.

Two things stood out about his comments yesterday. One, if Garrett and Clowney would be switching sides during a game, wouldn't there be practice time during the week or weeks prior to get them used to the different sides? The coaching staff could see what worked and what didn't. We have seen it sporadically with one or both of them lining up inside at defensive tackle instead of ends.

Two is "they have their people and I'm not one of them". Is this an indication of Berry or the defensive coaching staff, Woods or DL coach Kiffin pushing their draft picks on the defensive line? When an outsider like Clowney could see they weren't up for it, leaving him and Garrett to work harder for less results and get pissed at the situation?

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Is Clowney an a$$hat? Yes.

Two things stood out about his comments yesterday. One, if Garrett and Clowney would be switching sides during a game, wouldn't there be practice time during the week or weeks prior to get them used to the different sides? The coaching staff could see what worked and what didn't. We have seen it sporadically with one or both of them lining up inside at defensive tackle instead of ends.

I don't think the practice reps matter. They're for understanding the game plan, and both Clowney and Garrett have been around the league long enough, and played every position along the line, where it doesn't matter if you're asked to line up on the left, right, standing up, DT, whatever.

Two is "they have their people and I'm not one of them". Is this an indication of Berry or the defensive coaching staff, Woods or DL coach Kiffin pushing their draft picks on the defensive line? When an outsider like Clowney could see they weren't up for it, leaving him and Garrett to work harder for less results and get pissed at the situation?

Feels like he's just talking out his feelings and not actually basing it in reality. Clowney started every game he was able to, and the coaches wanted him to play more than he wanted to. There was no lack of opportunity in Cleveland, and no lack of people believing in him and wanting him to succeed.

 

[Douglar]

Two is "they have their people and I'm not one of them". Is this an indication of Berry or the defensive coaching staff, Woods or DL coach Kiffin pushing their draft picks on the defensive line? When an outsider like Clowney could see they weren't up for it, leaving him and Garrett to work harder for less results and get pissed at the situation?

When a player only signs one year deals, he probably shouldn’t be surprised when he finds him self on the “here today mercenary” list instead of the “close family core building block” list.

 

[southernflyer]

When a player only signs one year deals, he probably shouldn’t be surprised when he finds him self on the “here today mercenary” list instead of the “close family core building block” list.

Oh, I agree. It would have been different if he came around in 2021 with a "I screwed up signing with Tennessee last year, give me a fair multiyear deal" attitude. Every year he has waited around for a top contract and we have come around three straight years like the lonely guy at the bar at closing time hitting on the last girl there, getting him twice. Even if he had come in after last year with "I like it here with Myles, sign me for 2/$15m and it's done today".

But he's always been a mercenary. The Browns are the only team to show consistent interest in him. The Texans gave him a franchise tag after his rookie contract, then traded him to Seattle that offseason. Seattle didn't resign and he did his one year with Tennessee after window shopping with the Browns. Then we signed him twice. He may have to do a Suh and wait half the year until someone needs him and get a few million out of it, or go to a bottom feeder team for more money.

 

[Urban]

Honestly it’s never usually a good idea when you practically have to beg a guy to come to your team.

Berry pursued him relentlessly. He laughed at us and signed with Tenn then Berry kept trying and trying and we got him. And even after a good year, we had to basically beg him to come back.

In any kind of relationship, that’s not gonna end well.

This is a hysterical and hyperbolic take on the Browns pursuit of Clowney

Berry failing to land him in 2020, revisiting and signing him in 2021, and then re-signing him in 2022 = "pursue relentlessly", "kept trying and trying", "beg him to come back"

2020 Clowney either way overestimated his worth and/or didn't want to go to training camp, hence waiting until the first week of September to sign. Oh, and he chose the Titans (coming off an AFC Championship appearance) over the Browns coming off a disastrous 6-10 season where they fired their coach and GM.

And as far as re-signing:

 

[inliner311]

Is Clowney an a$$hat? Yes.

Two things stood out about his comments yesterday. One, if Garrett and Clowney would be switching sides during a game, wouldn't there be practice time during the week or weeks prior to get them used to the different sides? The coaching staff could see what worked and what didn't. We have seen it sporadically with one or both of them lining up inside at defensive tackle instead of ends.

Two is "they have their people and I'm not one of them". Is this an indication of Berry or the defensive coaching staff, Woods or DL coach Kiffin pushing their draft picks on the defensive line? When an outsider like Clowney could see they weren't up for it, leaving him and Garrett to work harder for less results and get pissed at the situation?

I could see the changing sides as a too little to late kind of thing for Clowney. Like we have played all season with this predictable pass rush and now you want to switch it up 14 games in.

The second part probably goes along the same line and could lineup with the comment about getting Garrett into the Hall of Fame instead of worrying about winning. Clowney might have felt they just tossed this year away and didn't try to make this a winning season especially the defense. Woods reverted back to trying to go all in on his scheme again and then made adjustments late in the season. If Woods and the staff were willing to make adjustments to the scheme earlier on, maybe they would have been in better position late in the season

(This could all be me projecting my feeling on to this. I really want Joe Woods fired.)

 

[chrisrich91]

And as far as re-signing:

Rapoport is a good source of objective information.

When it comes to subjectivity and narrative building, he’s almost always serving as a mouthpiece for someone and should be taken with a mountain of salt.

I will not be convinced that Clowney turned down a mega deal just to come back here. This is classic Rapoport.

 

[Urban]

Rapoport is a good source of objective information.

When it comes to subjectivity and narrative building, he’s almost always serving as a mouthpiece for someone and should be taken with a mountain of salt.

I will not be convinced that Clowney turned down a mega deal just to come back here. This is classic Rapoport.

Regardless of your opinion on Rapoport, it's outrageous to say Berry "basically begged him to come back" when Clowney (who had a reputation as a mercenary bag chaser) chose to re-sign with the Browns at 1 yr $10m after his most productive season in years.

 

[Randolphkeys]

The Watson suspension saga exhausted everyone before week one ever began. Clowney was, at one point, excited to be a Cleveland Brown and reunited with Watson as a veteran pillar of a young defense.

By the time week one of the regular season started, the players were already mentally and emotionally fatigued.

I haven't liked Clowney's approach to the game. He's a diva without the stats to justify his approach, and that is why he's going on his fourth team. I do want to see the Browns in a much more positive off-season.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Rapoport is a good source of objective information.

When it comes to subjectivity and narrative building, he’s almost always serving as a mouthpiece for someone and should be taken with a mountain of salt.

I will not be convinced that Clowney turned down a mega deal just to come back here. This is classic Rapoport.

That’s the story you hear whenever a guy gets less money on the open market than expected. “Oh, he just really wanted to be here and turned down way more money to make it happen.”

That may be true occasionally, but the vast majority of the time it’s just agents building a narrative that their guy is a good team player.