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I've been spending way too much time on baseball-reference and baseball savant lately and looking at numbers for random players, and I didn't want to clutter the Indians thread with a bunch of non-Indians statistics, so I figured I'd make this.

Feel free to post your completely pointless stats too.

Here's one I just looked at a bit ago:

Chipper Jones had a 19 year career where he played until he was 40 years old. He finished with a career OPS of .930 and had a stretch of three straight seasons where he finished with an OPS over 1.000 when he was 34-36 years old. He never finished any season in his career with an OPS below .800, with his lowest season (.803) coming when he was 23 years old.

One of the best hitters of the 1990s and the 2000s, and I don't think he is talked about enough.
 

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You should probably ask @camakazee for permission to steal his idea


God I've been here too long
Wasn't that a neat-o stat?

Anyways, towards the random stats... is there a metric out there that would take OPS, but add/subtract for base running ability? A single plus a steal of second being worth the same as a double. Getting thrown out stealing turns your single into an out, etc?
 

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Wasn't that a neat-o stat?

Anyways, towards the random stats... is there a metric out there that would take OPS, but add/subtract for base running ability? A single plus a steal of second being worth the same as a double. Getting thrown out stealing turns your single into an out, etc?
I'm not sure that metric exists. Would advancing on a passed ball or wild pitch count the same as stealing a base?
 

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I'm not sure that metric exists. Would advancing on a passed ball or wild pitch count the same as stealing a base?
I'd wager that no, just like an error doesn't count as a hit, advancing on the base paths due to an error doesn't count either.

I'd also be interested to see what the metrics are in terms of how much having a base stealing threat on base (first and second as individual data points) can affect a pitcher.

There's a lot of small ball stuff that I feel we don't currently account for. I'm sure the teams have some of these numbers, but they just aren't out at the major sites.
 

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Justin Verlander has become the 7th pitcher in baseball history with 9+ seasons of 200+ strikeouts.

Nolan Ryan - 15
Randy Johnson - 13
Roger Clemens - 12
Tom Seaver - 10
Pedro Martinez - 9
Bob Gibson - 9
Justin Verlander - 9

Other notable active pitchers:

Max Scherzer - 7; 189 K this year
Clayton Kershaw - 7; 122 K this year
Chris Sale - 6; 193 K this year
Zack Greinke - 6; 135 K this year
David Price - 5; 126 K this year
Corey Kluber - 5; 38 K this year

Looks like Scherzer and Sale are locks to join that club eventually. Those guys have insane K rates.
 

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A relatively significant number of Cleveland Indians from the 1995 World Series team played into their 40s:

- Omar Vizquel (45)
- Dennis Martinez (44)
- Sandy Alomar Jr. (41)
- Orel Hershiser (41)
- Jose Mesa (41)
- Eddie Murray (41)
- Jim Thome (41)
- Kenny Lofton (40)
- Tony Pena (40)

Plus Alan Embree and Manny Ramirez played until they were 39.

For reference, the oldest guy in baseball right now is Fernando Rodney who is 42, and then Albert Pujols who is 39.
 

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A relatively significant number of Cleveland Indians from the 1995 World Series team played into their 40s:

- Omar Vizquel (45)
- Dennis Martinez (44)
- Sandy Alomar Jr. (41)
- Orel Hershiser (41)
- Jose Mesa (41)
- Eddie Murray (41)
- Jim Thome (41)
- Kenny Lofton (40)
- Tony Pena (40)

Plus Alan Embree and Manny Ramirez played until they were 39.

For reference, the oldest guy in baseball right now is Fernando Rodney who is 42, and then Albert Pujols who is 39.
By contrast, our 2007 team that was a game away from the World Series had:

- Rafael Betancourt (40)
- Kenny Lofton (40)

C.C. Sabathia (39) and Asdrubal Cabrera (33) are still playing. Victor Martinez played until he was 39.

Interesting how much longevity came out of that '95 team.
 

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A relatively significant number of Cleveland Indians from the 1995 World Series team played into their 40s:

- Omar Vizquel (45)
- Dennis Martinez (44)
- Sandy Alomar Jr. (41)
- Orel Hershiser (41)
- Jose Mesa (41)
- Eddie Murray (41)
- Jim Thome (41)
- Kenny Lofton (40)
- Tony Pena (40)

Plus Alan Embree and Manny Ramirez played until they were 39.

For reference, the oldest guy in baseball right now is Fernando Rodney who is 42, and then Albert Pujols who is 39.
Don't forget Julio Franco played until he was 62
 

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Seventeen different pitchers have started a game for the Angels this year.
  1. Tyler Skaggs
  2. Griffin Canning
  3. Matt Harvey
  4. Trevor Cahill
  5. Andrew Heaney
  6. Jose Suarez
  7. Cam Bedrosian
  8. Felix Pena
  9. Jaime Barria
  10. Taylor Cole
  11. Chris Stratton
  12. Noe Ramirez
  13. Luis Garcia
  14. Luke Bard
  15. Dillon Peters
  16. Hansel Robles
  17. Nick Tropeano
Now think about how heavily injured the Cleveland rotation has been this year, and we have only started twelve:
  1. Trevor Bauer
  2. Shane Bieber
  3. Zach Plesac
  4. Carlos Carrasco
  5. Adam Plutko
  6. Mike Clevinger
  7. Jefry Rodriguez
  8. Corey Kluber
  9. Aaron Civale
  10. Cody Anderson
  11. Tyler Clippard
  12. Danny Salazar
 

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Clayton Kershaw has become the Los Angeles Dodgers' all-time WARlord (67.4 career WAR), passing Don Drysdale.

The only other active players who lead a franchise in all-time WAR are:
  • Mike Trout: 71.7 WAR for the Los Angeles Angels
  • Evan Longoria: 49.8 WAR for the Tampa Bay Rays
  • Giancarlo Stanton: 35.5 WAR for the Miami Marlins
Active players in the top-5 for a franchise in WAR:
  • Paul Goldschmidt: 40.3 WAR (2nd) for the Arizona Diamondbacks, trailing Randy Johnson
  • Ben Zobrist: 36.0 WAR (2nd) for the Tampa Bay Rays, trailing Evan Longoria
  • Ryan Braun: 47.2 WAR (3rd) for the Milwaukee Brewers, trailing Robin Yount and Paul Molitor
  • Felix Hernandez: 50.4 WAR (4th) for the Seattle Mariners, trailing Ken Griffey Jr., Edgar Martinez, and Ichiro
  • Nolan Arenado: 36.4 WAR (4th) for the Colorado Rockies, trailing Todd Helton, Larry Walker, and Troy Tulowitzki
  • Kevin Kiermaier: 26.6 WAR (4th) for the Tampa Bay Rays, trailing Evan Longoria, Ben Zobrist, and Carl Crawford
  • Joey Votto: 59.7 WAR (5th) for the Cincinnati Reds, trailing Pete Rose, Johnny Bench, Barry Larkin, and Frank Robinson
  • Ryan Zimmerman: 37.8 WAR (5th) for the Washington Nationals, trailing Gary Carter, Tim Raines, Andre Dawson, and Steve Rogers
  • Ian Kinsler: 35.0 WAR (5th) for the Texas Rangers, trailing Pudge Rodriguez, Rafael Palmeiro, Adrian Beltre, and Buddy Bell
  • Carlos Gonzalez: 23.5 WAR (5th) for the Colorado Rockies, trailing Todd Helton, Larry Walker, Troy Tulowitzki, and Nolan Arenado
  • David Price: 21.2 WAR (5th) for the Tampa Bay Rays, trailing Evan Longoria, Ben Zobrist, Carl Crawford, and Kevin Kiermaier
The highest active player on the Indians WAR list is Corey Kluber, who is 22nd with a 33.1 WAR.

Obviously some of those standings (guys like Votto, Braun, Kershaw, and Trout) mean more than others, since the majority of the guys on this list are doing so for franchises that haven't even been around for 30 years yet, but still interesting nonetheless.

Pretty telling about the quality and longevity of the Cleveland Indians that a guy like Corey Kluber, widely regarded as one of the top pitchers in franchise history, is 22nd all time in WAR for our franchise.
 

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Clayton Kershaw has become the Los Angeles Dodgers' all-time WARlord (67.4 career WAR), passing Don Drysdale.

The only other active players who lead a franchise in all-time WAR are:
  • Mike Trout: 71.7 WAR for the Los Angeles Angels
  • Evan Longoria: 49.8 WAR for the Tampa Bay Rays
  • Giancarlo Stanton: 35.5 WAR for the Miami Marlins
Active players in the top-5 for a franchise in WAR:
  • Paul Goldschmidt: 40.3 WAR (2nd) for the Arizona Diamondbacks, trailing Randy Johnson
  • Ben Zobrist: 36.0 WAR (2nd) for the Tampa Bay Rays, trailing Evan Longoria
  • Ryan Braun: 47.2 WAR (3rd) for the Milwaukee Brewers, trailing Robin Yount and Paul Molitor
  • Felix Hernandez: 50.4 WAR (4th) for the Seattle Mariners, trailing Ken Griffey Jr., Edgar Martinez, and Ichiro
  • Nolan Arenado: 36.4 WAR (4th) for the Colorado Rockies, trailing Todd Helton, Larry Walker, and Troy Tulowitzki
  • Kevin Kiermaier: 26.6 WAR (4th) for the Tampa Bay Rays, trailing Evan Longoria, Ben Zobrist, and Carl Crawford
  • Joey Votto: 59.7 WAR (5th) for the Cincinnati Reds, trailing Pete Rose, Johnny Bench, Barry Larkin, and Frank Robinson
  • Ryan Zimmerman: 37.8 WAR (5th) for the Washington Nationals, trailing Gary Carter, Tim Raines, Andre Dawson, and Steve Rogers
  • Ian Kinsler: 35.0 WAR (5th) for the Texas Rangers, trailing Pudge Rodriguez, Rafael Palmeiro, Adrian Beltre, and Buddy Bell
  • Carlos Gonzalez: 23.5 WAR (5th) for the Colorado Rockies, trailing Todd Helton, Larry Walker, Troy Tulowitzki, and Nolan Arenado
  • David Price: 21.2 WAR (5th) for the Tampa Bay Rays, trailing Evan Longoria, Ben Zobrist, Carl Crawford, and Kevin Kiermaier
The highest active player on the Indians WAR list is Corey Kluber, who is 22nd with a 33.1 WAR.

Obviously some of those standings (guys like Votto, Braun, Kershaw, and Trout) mean more than others, since the majority of the guys on this list are doing so for franchises that haven't even been around for 30 years yet, but still interesting nonetheless.

Pretty telling about the quality and longevity of the Cleveland Indians that a guy like Corey Kluber, widely regarded as one of the top pitchers in franchise history, is 22nd all time in WAR for our franchise.
All expansion teams on that list...and literally the oldest franchise in North American sports.
 

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