The 2020 Cleveland Indians

[Chris]

One provides a service (entertainment) for us.

One claims in times of prosperity, the reason they should profit is because they're taking on the risk--but now in a time of hardship, is holding the product hostage and complaining that everyone else needs to subsidize the risk for them in order for a season to happen.

If you're not willing to keep the sport going through both the good times and the bad, sell to someone who will.

That’s how I see it. A lot of people siding with the owners on this and I can’t for the life of me imagine why. I understand neutral stances but what the fuck have the owners done for any of us? They aren’t what we cheer at the ballpark every day. Just don’t get it. But whateva.

 

[ncinthenext3]

I'm not even taking a side. It just shocks me that neither side has brough up getting back to work for the fans. If they have, they're not trumpeting it. Right now both sides are giving us all the finger. Right back at you both.

 

[Chris]

I'm not even taking a side. It just shocks me that neither side has brough up getting back to work for the fans. If they have, they're not trumpeting it. Right now both sides are giving us all the finger. Right back at you both.

Let’s be honest, neither gives a shit about the fans. Sucks though, I agree.

 

[ncinthenext3]

Let’s be honest, neither gives a shit about the fans. Sucks though, I agree.

They're both doing a great job of proving you right.

 

[Derek]

That’s how I see it. A lot of people siding with the owners on this and I can’t for the life of me imagine why. I understand neutral stances but what the fuck have the owners done for any of us? They aren’t what we cheer at the ballpark every day. Just don’t get it. But whateva.

This is where I am.

I've probably come off as anti-owner but that's mostly just because most of the backlash I have seen is directed toward the players. I'm more pro-players than I am anti-owners.

 

[bronko]

A lot of players would. Not every player makes $10 million plus though. In the grand scheme yes they’d all be fine too. But forgive me if I side slightly more with the players whose talent actually brings me the entertainment and not the absurdly rich billionaires, many of whom are notoriously cheap and would probably barely notice it if the season never happened.

Both are at fault as states originally. If I had to side with one, it’s the players.

This is why the owners proposal where salary cuts escalated as the salaries themselves went up, was so interesting. It protected the lower paid players while cutting the most from the superstar 8 figure salaries. My guess, if the players don't accept a variation of this, its 50 games at full prorated pay or no baseball this year.
I blame both sides, but player's demands are unreasonable, while the owners have made offers which they can at least support with numbers. By unreasonable, I mean due to the earlier agreement, negotiations were to be reopened if games were played without fans. The players have not moved an inch since that reopening.

 

[ncinthenext3]

Maybe some more states will be like Texas and allow a percentage of fans to attend. That would add in some revenue.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Maybe some more states will be like Texas and allow a percentage of fans to attend. That would add in some revenue.

See, if it would have been the the Tribe in the old stadium, you'd have had 20 feet in between fans without changing a damn thing.

 

[bronko]

See, if it would have been the the Tribe in the old stadium, you'd have had 20 feet in between fans without changing a damn thing.

I miss swilling booze in the bleachers at Municipal Stadium for $3 game tickets.

 

[6.19.2016]

Passan bomb:


See full thread.

Note also Indians fan Centauri2's comment, which apparently resolves the "but the owners are going back on an already negotiated deal!" question:

 

[Sebastian]

See, if it would have been the the Tribe in the old stadium, you'd have had 20 feet in between fans without changing a damn thing.

I remember going to a game there in 1986 (barely).

It formed my opinion of stadiums thereafter being empty all the time as it was a decade before I went to a major professional sports game again (lived in Alaska).

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

Seems like a fair proposal. The players won't get the full amount they would have received if there were no restrictions on selling tickets, but they'll get 75%. So as of now they have to decide between getting $170 million to not play at all or $1.43 billion to play 76 games. Seems like a no-brainer, especially if 16 teams make the playoffs instead of 10. That gives playoff money to an additional 150 players that ordinarily wouldn't get it.

The deadline is tomorrow. I think both sides know they have to get going immediately. They're out of time. I don't see any point in a 48-game season.

 

[Derek]

Seems like a fair proposal. The players won't get the full amount they would have received if there were no restrictions on selling tickets, but they'll get 75%. So as of now they have to decide between getting $170 million to not play at all or $1.43 billion to play 76 games. Seems like a no-brainer, especially if 16 teams make the playoffs instead of 10. That gives playoff money to an additional 150 players that ordinarily wouldn't get it.

The deadline is tomorrow. I think both sides know they have to get going immediately. They're out of time. I don't see any point in a 48-game season.

From what I heard, the players consider the most recent proposal a step backward.

They're basically getting paid the same as what they were offered for 48 games.

 

[JDailey23]

MLB, players and owners are GD morons. They have/had a clear cut path to being the first real sports league to comeback, on the 4th of July with zero competition.

 

[Derek]

MLB, players and owners are GD morons. They have/had a clear cut path to being the first real sports league to comeback, on the 4th of July with zero competition.

Can you explain the clear-cut path? I see a very complex situation that has the odds stacked against games being played.