The 2023-2024 Off-Season Thread

[adam81king]

Aaron Gordan shoots 35% from 3, Draymond is also a much better shooter then Mobley. Giannis plays with a Center that can shoot. Don’t really understand how that’s an argument against my last post?

Aaron Gordon shoots a whopping 2.5 3s a game and makes less than 1. His first 2yrs in the League, he shot 1, and 1.8 3s per game and made less than 30% of them. Draymond Green barely shoots 30% from 3, and only makes HALF a 3 out of the 1.8 this year. His first two years in the League were worse, and fewer, than Gordon. Giannis is absolutely putrid from 3. Evan's first two years look a lot like Gordon's and Draymonds, and better than Giannis'.

You said you cant win a championship without a PF that can shoot, yet the last 3 championship PFs are hardly shooters. Evan's FG % is better than all of theirs and his 3% is on the same trajectory as theirs.

 

[CavsKermit]

Kevin Love's trade value gets destroyed because he played only 22 games in 2018-2019 season and when he did play he had a horrible demeanor on the court. It's not just that he wasn't healthy but the questions of why he was sitting out were never answered. He plays more games the next season and kind of rebuilds some of his value but not enough to make teams want him then he only plays 25 games in 2020-2021 again.

Health is the biggest reason why Loves value was destroyed.

I really don't want to re-litigate Beilein's two-thirds of a season as an NBA coach, mostly because suppressing the memory of it makes me happier, but Sexton going YOLO for 50 games as we got run out of the gym on a nightly basis is not something many coaching staffs would've tolerated, and it badly hurt Love's trade value.

 

[Peacedog]

The duel of Brown and Tatum brought the Celtics nearly to the finals while Mitchell and Garland got bounced in the first round. An elite 2 way SF will always be more valuable in this league than a small PG who can't play defense but can shoot 3s except Curry who is the greatest shooter of all time and a top 3 PG all-time. Look at history.

Garland is a good young PG but in what would is he even close to Brown who can score and has been deep in the playoffs as the 2ns option the past few years? Brown can score and play elite defense. A lineup of Mitchell and Brown would be the best since LeBron and Kyrie for this team. Don't know why people overrated small PGs and undersell an elite 2 way SF like Brown. Garland is definitely cheaper but signing Brown to a big contract and having a core of Mitchell, Brown and Mobley has a much higher ceiling than a Garland, Mitchell and Mobley lineup.

Nope. Wrong. He's been in the league how many years? And Garland?

 

[BigZ94]

Aaron Gordon shoots a whopping 2.5 3s a game and makes less than 1. His first 2yrs in the League, he shot 1, and 1.8 3s per game and made less than 30% of them. Draymond Green barely shoots 30% from 3, and only makes HALF a 3 out of the 1.8 this year. His first two years in the League were worse, and fewer, than Gordon. Giannis is absolutely putrid from 3. Evan's first two years look a lot like Gordon's and Draymonds, and better than Giannis'.

You said you cant win a championship without a PF that can shoot, yet the last 3 championship PFs are hardly shooters. Evan's FG % is better than all of theirs and his 3% is on the same trajectory as theirs.

Aaron Gordon shot 35% this year what are you on about? And as I said you need a center who can shoot to pair with a non shooting PF, Gianni’s has Brook Lopez

 

[Nphan]

Nope. Wrong. He's been in the league how many years? And Garland?

He's still 6'7 230 who can score at the rim, shoot 3s, and play elite defense. Will Garland ever be an elite defender who can guard 1 to 3?

 

[Kouki]

Aaron Gordon shoots a whopping 2.5 3s a game and makes less than 1. His first 2yrs in the League, he shot 1, and 1.8 3s per game and made less than 30% of them. Draymond Green barely shoots 30% from 3, and only makes HALF a 3 out of the 1.8 this year. His first two years in the League were worse, and fewer, than Gordon. Giannis is absolutely putrid from 3. Evan's first two years look a lot like Gordon's and Draymonds, and better than Giannis'.

You said you cant win a championship without a PF that can shoot, yet the last 3 championship PFs are hardly shooters. Evan's FG % is better than all of theirs and his 3% is on the same trajectory as theirs.

The point is that in the modern NBA you pretty much need four floor spacers on the court. Maybe not "need" but it's cetainly a hell of a lot more ideal. If you want Mobley at the four then you need a guy like Brooke Lopez at the five, unless Mobley develops a real 3 ball.

Bringing up KG is a pretty big stretch...and note that sure enough he was playing more five as the years went on. Not to mention...he had range out to 18 feet easily...in his rookie season.

Draymond played alongside the guy with the most gravity in NBA history, and another guy who's pretty high up there, and two more competent shooters. And was a threat to shoot himself. Not as much any more of course. But Draymond at the five surrounded by shooters was the infamous death lineup. Literally infamous for being effective due to the spacing.

Giannis plays with the best 3&D center in the league, by far. And has shooters on the wing.

Nuggets and Gordon, again I think nearly every guy on that team could keep defenses honest from 3.