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Meaningless poll, but lets play....where will the pick end up after the lottery?

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The good thing about this draft is the top is so heavy. Porter and Bagley would probably go #1 had they been in the 2017 draft. The 2 bigs, Bamba and Ayton, are highly thought of. There is also an elite European prospect that people are raving about. This is a good draft to have a top-5 pick in.
 
I'm not 100% sure where I'm going with this - so hear me out.

What about trading the Brooklyn pick but adding protections on to it? It's a bit of a gamble, but will let us trade for some of the lesser talents that people have been discussing without giving up on getting a Porter or Bagley.

Some examples:

Type 1: Decreasing the value of the Brooklyn First:

Cavs trade: Shumpert + Brooklyn First (top 3 protected, reverts to Cavs 2018 1st and Cavs 2020 1st if Brooklyn 1st is in the top 3) for Kris Middleton.

You can put just about any name in place of Kris Middleton there (with almost any team). In this case, we get a premium shooting guard to help this year. Milwaukee either gets two first round draft picks, or they get a Brooklyn First that is probably in the 4-10 range in a stacked draft. The Cavs get a player that can help this year, and don't lose on the chance to get a premium talent.

Type 2: Trading with Brooklyn (this is a bit wacky):

Cavs Trade: Gives Brooklyn the following protection: If the Brooklyn pick is Top 2 then Brooklyn gets the 2018 pick, and the Cavs get Brooklyn's 2019 pick instead.
Cavs Get: Rondae Hollis-Jefferson

Here we again pick up a young wing defender, who could be a piece going forward. Brooklyn should be looking to tank this season, and now they can try to do it. It basically moves Brooklyns timeline forward by a year. Conversely the fact that Brooklyn is trying to tank really increases the chance that their pick is in the 3-5 range, which helps the cavs a bit as well. At worst, the Cavs timeline gets pushed back a year when we get an extra Brooklyn first round pick that should be in the mid-lottery.

Type 2b: Trading with Brooklyn

Cavs Trade: Brooklyn 2018 First Round pick
Cavs Get: DeAngelo Russell, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Brooklyn 2019 First round Pick (unprotected)

Again, Brooklyn goes into full tank mode this season - with basically no talent left on their roster. Cavs get some pieces for this season (maybe send Russell somewhere else for a late first?) And the Cavs still have some insurance in the form of extra picks if Lebron leaves.

Anyway - there are a million permutations of trades like this. My point is that it is possible to change the value of the Brooklyn 1st to match what you are trying to trade for -- just by varying the protections in the pick.
 
Let's say we trade the pick + Shumpert/Frye for the likes of PG/Boogie... The associated cost/tax of re-signing him + LeBron + IT in 2018/19 makes me think we end up keeping this pick.

All assumptions...Lets assume trading for PG/Boogie is enough to get LeBron to commit too.
- We sign LeBron for mega $ (assume ~$40m)
- Then, you max out PG/Boogie. (assume ~$30+)
- Then, you gotta give IT a ton of money. (assume $30m - see Kyle Lowry contract)

We'd have 11 under contract next year for close to $180 million. I can't imagine what that tax bill would be - any takers on the math?
 
Porter JR and Bagley are both gonna be immediate impact players...6'10 and 6'11 with those skill sets are gonna be hard to handle ...Ayton is a close 3rd
 
Lyuokdea said:
I'm not 100% sure where I'm going with this - so hear me out.

What about trading the Brooklyn pick but adding protections on to it? It's a bit of a gamble, but will let us trade for some of the lesser talents that people have been discussing without giving up on getting a Porter or Bagley.

Some examples:

Type 1: Decreasing the value of the Brooklyn First:

Cavs trade: Shumpert + Brooklyn First (top 3 protected, reverts to Cavs 2018 1st and Cavs 2020 1st if Brooklyn 1st is in the top 3) for Kris Middleton.

You can put just about any name in place of Kris Middleton there (with almost any team). In this case, we get a premium shooting guard to help this year. Milwaukee either gets two first round draft picks, or they get a Brooklyn First that is probably in the 4-10 range in a stacked draft. The Cavs get a player that can help this year, and don't lose on the chance to get a premium talent.

Type 2: Trading with Brooklyn (this is a bit wacky):

Cavs Trade: Gives Brooklyn the following protection: If the Brooklyn pick is Top 2 then Brooklyn gets the 2018 pick, and the Cavs get Brooklyn's 2019 pick instead.
Cavs Get: Rondae Hollis-Jefferson

Here we again pick up a young wing defender, who could be a piece going forward. Brooklyn should be looking to tank this season, and now they can try to do it. It basically moves Brooklyns timeline forward by a year. Conversely the fact that Brooklyn is trying to tank really increases the chance that their pick is in the 3-5 range, which helps the cavs a bit as well. At worst, the Cavs timeline gets pushed back a year when we get an extra Brooklyn first round pick that should be in the mid-lottery.

Type 2b: Trading with Brooklyn

Cavs Trade: Brooklyn 2018 First Round pick
Cavs Get: DeAngelo Russell, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Brooklyn 2019 First round Pick (unprotected)

Again, Brooklyn goes into full tank mode this season - with basically no talent left on their roster. Cavs get some pieces for this season (maybe send Russell somewhere else for a late first?) And the Cavs still have some insurance in the form of extra picks if Lebron leaves.

Anyway - there are a million permutations of trades like this. My point is that it is possible to change the value of the Brooklyn 1st to match what you are trying to trade for -- just by varying the protections in the pick.
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Why get Middelton when we just got Crowder who provides the exact same skill set?

Why give up a pick for RHJ who is not good.

You do realize DAngelo is a bad player and an even worse teammate don't you?
 
PITCavsFan said:
Let's say we trade the pick + Shumpert/Frye for the likes of PG/Boogie... The associated cost/tax of re-signing him + LeBron + IT in 2018/19 makes me think we end up keeping this pick.

All assumptions...Lets assume trading for PG/Boogie is enough to get LeBron to commit too.
- We sign LeBron for mega $ (assume ~$40m)
- Then, you max out PG/Boogie. (assume ~$30+)
- Then, you gotta give IT a ton of money. (assume $30m - see Kyle Lowry contract)

We'd have 11 under contract next year for close to $180 million. I can't imagine what that tax bill would be - any takers on the math?
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My own feeling in that scenario is that the cavs would let IT walk and find another way to deal with the point guard position.
They could even move Love for a point guard if they needed to.
 
wremy said:
Porter JR and Bagley are both gonna be immediate impact players...6'10 and 6'11 with those skill sets are gonna be hard to handle ...Ayton is a close 3rd
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Ayton isn't a "close" 3rd. He needs to work on wanting to play and be less Anthony Bennett. I don't touch Ayton before Doncic.
 
SlavicBuckeye0 said:
Ayton isn't a "close" 3rd. He needs to work on wanting to play and be less Anthony Bennett. I don't touch Ayton before Doncic.
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Ayton is a much better prospect then Bennet ever was but I do agree with you Donic before Ayton for sure.
 
NMCav said:
Ayton is a much better prospect then Bennet ever was but I do agree with you Donic before Ayton for sure.
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I guess its great i never said Bennett was as good a prospect, i said they have similiar motor issues of "Wanting" to play. which is true.

Ayton has all the talent in the world, he has the athletic ability, size, wingspan and if his 3 point shoot keeps getting better, he has the whole package to be one of the best players in the league, but he's had alot of moments in summer league games that he just doesn't try.
 
wremy said:
Porter JR and Bagley are both gonna be immediate impact players...6'10 and 6'11 with those skill sets are gonna be hard to handle ...Ayton is a close 3rd
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I think this is an important point. We all know that LeBron has shown no patience for wanting to have a developing young talent on the roster as he fights for championships.

But at their height, length, and athleticism, they don't need to be anywhere near the overall well rounded players they'll be in their mid 20s. They just need to bring energy and the ability to play a little defense and finish around the rim.
 
PITCavsFan said:
Let's say we trade the pick + Shumpert/Frye for the likes of PG/Boogie... The associated cost/tax of re-signing him + LeBron + IT in 2018/19 makes me think we end up keeping this pick.

All assumptions...Lets assume trading for PG/Boogie is enough to get LeBron to commit too.
- We sign LeBron for mega $ (assume ~$40m)
- Then, you max out PG/Boogie. (assume ~$30+)
- Then, you gotta give IT a ton of money. (assume $30m - see Kyle Lowry contract)

We'd have 11 under contract next year for close to $180 million. I can't imagine what that tax bill would be - any takers on the math?
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If the Cavs pay IT 30 million, Lebron and PG13/Boogie head to LA.
 
Perfect top pick to have for LBJ to transfer his "blueprint" to, and hopefully give it to Kyrie in 2019 and beyond. We all know LBJ was in that process with Ky, who gave him a big middle finger. Imagine LBJ providing that same tutelage to one of these top picks, with LBJ retiring a Cav and we continue to give it to the Celts for all of those years.

Perfect scenario.
 
Lebron and PG13 would be choosing Ball and Ingram over two injury-prone thirty-year olds on max contracts, one of whom is a 5 ft 9 defensive sieve.
 
Funkmastabuck said:
I think this is an important point. We all know that LeBron has shown no patience for wanting to have a developing young talent on the roster as he fights for championships.

But at their height, length, and athleticism, they don't need to be anywhere near the overall well rounded players they'll be in their mid 20s. They just need to bring energy and the ability to play a little defense and finish around the rim.
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I still say that a young big is 50/50...

It seemed like Towns and Okafor were locks for success. It happened with Towns, but Okafor..
 
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