Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

[CBBI]

Even if Beckham does have a torn ACL, there will be a market for him this offseason because any team acquiring him isn't on the hook for any guaranteed money.

It's a pretty low risk move financially speaking.

 

[Marcus]

On the year, Odell had a 75.4 grade from PFF. Landry was at a 73.6 going into the Bengals
game. Those are solid #1 receiver numbers. I feel like the Steelers game is deeply engrained in the memory of Browns fans while all their best moments from before it are being forgotten.

Odell has been solid this season, and in a win where he was injured for the year, it's an odd time to talk about trades and some kind of exit strategy. Normal fans celebrate after an impressive last second victory. You are allowed to try it out, see how it makes you feel.

OBJ is a hell of a receiver and a hell of a teammate, but in my opinion, it just hasn’t worked out on the field. No fault of his own - he’s a top receiver in the league, but it just hasn’t been a good fit here, from both a system and QB perspective.

Obviously you don’t move on from him this year, but with extensions coming up due for other key players, if I’m Andrew Berry, I’m at least listening.

 

[Jordan]

OBJ is a hell of a receiver and a hell of a teammate, but in my opinion, it just hasn’t worked out on the field. No fault of his own - he’s a top receiver in the league, but it just hasn’t been a good fit here, from both a system and QB perspective.

Obviously you don’t move on from him this year, but with extensions coming up due for other key players, if I’m Andrew Berry, I’m at least listening.

I think the question that the Browns will need to (continue to) ask is if the problem between Baker and OBJ is resolvable, and if not, who is at fault? OBJ has played really well this year and Baker has not.

If Baker looks like he did today for the rest of the season then the Browns need to figure out *why* he was worse with OBJ. If it’s not resolvable then you trade OBJ. If Baker reverts then I say keep OBJ and move-on from Baker.

A lot of games still have to be played...

 

[Los216]

I think the question that the Browns will need to (continue to) ask is if the problem between Baker and OBJ is resolvable, and if not, who is at fault? OBJ has played really well this year and Baker has not.

If Baker looks like he did today for the rest of the season then the Browns need to figure out *why* he was worse with OBJ. If it’s not resolvable then you trade OBJ. If Baker reverts then I say keep OBJ and move-on from Baker.

A lot of games still have to be played...

It’s really as simple as this. No need to overthink it and talk about trading a dude who might not even hit the field again until training camp anyway.

This will work itself out. I’m more upset that Chubb won’t be able to get his revenge against The Raiders this year after he had 2 TD’s on 3 carries against them two years ago.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I think the question that the Browns will need to (continue to) ask is if the problem between Baker and OBJ is resolvable, and if not, who is at fault? OBJ has played really well this year and Baker has not.

If Baker looks like he did today for the rest of the season then the Browns need to figure out *why* he was worse with OBJ. If it’s not resolvable then you trade OBJ. If Baker reverts then I say keep OBJ and move-on from Baker.

A lot of games still have to be played...

I don't see the point in keeping high-priced receivers if we don't have anyone to get them the ball, and finding a franchise QB won't be easy. If Baker turns out to stink, I'd sooner ditch the expensive WR's, and use any assets + cap space to upgrade at QB.

 

[6.19.2016]

Fun fact: Baker has finally nearly caught up with Josh Allen, the supposed potential MVP we "should've drafted," on passing TDs for the season, 16 to 15.

Baker still has a 7 to 4 lead on interceptions, but the data is starting to even out.

Although I'm not a big fan of using raw passing TDs and by extension traditional passer rating as the be-all and end-all...

 

[Sebastian]

For one week, and one week only.

What do you think of his new shaved look?

@The Oi @Sebastian @Hydroponic3385 @Deezus

Too short.

Looks better with shorter hair for sure though.

 

[Jordan]

I don't see the point in keeping high-priced receivers if we don't have anyone to get them the ball, and finding a franchise QB won't be easy. If Baker turns out to stink, I'd sooner ditch the expensive WR's, and use any assets + cap space to upgrade at QB.

If you are trading OBJ this summer then you are doing it at a discount. Players are usually more valuable mid-season and when not coming off an ACL injury. Trading him for what probably won’t be more than a third-round pick this summer doesn’t make any sense.

ETA: If Baker even shows a kernel of evidence of being noticeably better without OBJ through the rest of this season then I hope they trade OBJ for whatever they can get.

 

[Lee]

4 second half possessions. 4 touchdowns.

Holy crap

 

[Lee]

Ultimately, it doesn't matter whether OBJ is or is not a diva in fact. If Baker himself feels that way, it's a problem. I'm personally not convinced that's the case, but it is entirely possible that they are just not a good fit through no fault of OBJ's. And if that turns out to be true, then you dump OBJ like a bag of dirt.

I keep thinking about this. It doesnt make sense. OBJ is a top 5 WR, he really is. But Baker looks completely different when he is not on the field. Maybe its the having 2 pro-bowl WR; maybe they just arent connected. but how much work can he have with PDJ's and they looked on the same page by the 4th quarter.

It makes no sense, but I see it with my own eyes too. I wont be quite as crude about how fiercely i dump OBJ, But we might find out how Baker looks with OBJ because best case i think he is out a few weeks.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Our playcalling was different after the OBJ injury.

We started allowing Baker to drop back further into his drops, and in the second half, ran a shit ton of shotgun where he starts that deep.

When Baker can not only see his tackles, but also see the field better due to his limited size, he plays better. He wasn't panicky and jittery. He didn't have any inaccuracies. These are good things.

These things also don't have anything to do with whether OBJ is on the field or not. The correlation is obviously there, but I don't believe in the causation.

Also, @Lee , I don't think OBJ is a top 5 WR in this league ever since the bad NYG injuries. I do think he's top 15 though.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

If you are trading OBJ this summer then you are doing it at a discount. Players are usually more valuable mid-season and when not coming off an ACL injury.

He's worth less to everyone, including the Browns, under those circumstances. If other teams aren't keen on paying more than $15M to a WR coming off an ACL tear, why should we? Especially if we've decided that Baker isn't the guy, and are trying to accumulate assets/cap space to upgrade at QB.

If it really is an ACL tear, OBJ may not be worth $31m over the last two years of his contract period.

 

[Jordan]

He's worth less to everyone, including the Browns, under those circumstances. If other teams aren't keen on paying more than $15M to a WR coming off an ACL tear, why should we? Especially if we've decided that Baker isn't the guy, and are trying to accumulate assets/cap space to upgrade at QB.

If it really is an ACL tear, OBJ may not be worth $31m over the last two years of his contract period.

Fair. My argument would be that, because the contract is not guaranteed after this season and what we’d be able to get for him midseason that keeping him on the roster really has no negative impact. If the Browns draft and plan to start a rookie, though, then I completely agree with you.

 

[Triplethreat]

 

[Surge]

I dont care if it was the '85 Bears or 11 Sendejo's out there on defense. The throws the kid made in the second half, especially the last drive, are good against anyone.

We need to get Teller and Chubb back and keep rolling.