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AZ_ said:
Trading up for a wide receiver has to be among my top three worst case scenarios.

There is no value in that at all, given the depth at the position.
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Well, his argument was if Cooper slid in the 6-8 range.

I can see the value in that vs. having to move in to the top 3-4 for him.

In the 6-8 range, if you find a team who isn't in love with someone, you potentially move up for a mid to late second. I think a team in need of a #1 WR should be willing to part with such a pick to secure a guy like Cooper.

He is about as perfect of a prospect as you can get. Great work ethic, great measurables and top notch character. Given how many picks we possesses, I'd be willing to cash one in for him. Any of the other receivers, not really.

I understand it is a deep draft at WR but I personally love Cooper. Plus I think I'd be willing to trade a mid second just to move on from the Gordon fiasco.

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  • Sammie Coates, WR, Auburn (PRO): Having watched a lot of Coates, the guy can be at times one of the most impressive players on the field. Unfortunately, his hands are really, really inconsistent, his routes aren't consistent, and I'm not sure if I see it in the cards for him to be anything more than just a deep threat. His size, speed and power are all really impressive, and he can make the spectacular look easy, but he needs work. Not a bad choice for the late 2nd, or early 3rd, but I think he's a guy you are always going to wonder how good he could be.
  • Justin Coleman^, CB, Tennessee (EW, INT): Looks better in press man than anything else. His hips are as fluid as you like and he doesn't flip them quick enough to stay with NFL WR. Excellent in the running game and setting an edge. As I watch him play, I wonder if he would be more of a safety in the NFL? Plays with a lot of discipline in the running game, not worrying so much about chasing behind the play but instead making sure the runner doesn't flip the field. Solid tackler. Looks like he could be a hell of a gunner on special teams.
  • La'el Collins^, OT, LSU (SR, COM): Good run blocker, although at times he can get shed kind of easy. This guy is absolutely not an NFL tackle. If he plays tackle, he will get someone murdered, because he is just not quick enough to seal the edge rushers. His pass blocking, when the guy isn't trying to run past him is solid enough. For a guy so big, I'm not sure why he gets shed so easy. I don't know how else to say this: He doesn't know how to use his hands. Not like in a technique way, like...use them at all. He is often blocking with forearms and arms. I really don't like him for where he is being projected.
  • Ricky Collins, WR, Texas A&M-Commerce (PRI): There is one video of him on the internet that I can find, and it is more of a WR highlight package than anything else. He does have really good size, and impressive speed although I wonder if it's just because of the competition. His route tree is undeveloped. Fly pattern, or curl, that's about it. Will need some work, interesting late round guy.
  • Titus Davis, WR, Central Michigan (PRO): Not a huge fan. His hands are inconsistent, although that could be a result of his QB trying to almost literally kill him. Despite running a 4.51, he looks slower than that. Kind of slow and his jumping ability is unimpressive. Could turn into a decent slot guy or possession guy if hands turn out to be a plus. He is really good in the end zone, I will say that. While I'm not impressed with his jumping, he seems to use every inch he can get when fighting for the ball and is constantly open in the redzone.
  • Dillon Day, C, Mississippi State (EW): This motherfucker has blonde hair with blue highlights. Do not draft. But seriously, no tape, average size, hard to say anything about him. One thing that did come up on a google search is apparently he was extremely dirty in college. Interesting note.
  • Phillip Dorsett, WR, Miami (SR): This guy has speed to burn. He outruns everyone put on him. His route running was good enough for college, give him an NFL coach and I'm sure he'll improve. Has good hands and made a lot of catches in traffic. Surprisingly good blocker. This guy can be a really special slot WR/deep threat type guy. Just isn't big enough to be a real threat in the redzone. He can absolutely become a real threat in the NFL.
  • Alvin Dupree, OLB/DE/3-4OLB, Kentucky (PRO): Bud and I have already gone round and round. Total "what if" guy in the mold of Mingo. If you can get a guy to develop him, he could become an all time great. Right now, he's just numbers on a page, when he's on the field he under produces a ton.
  • Ereck Flowers^, OT, Miami (PRO, PRI): Yeah, this guy is going to be a good NFL tackle. Once again, a guy I've already seen a lot of tape on but the guy is just an outstanding blocker in the running game. Still needs a little bit of refinement as a tackle but he'll get it sorted out. Has the ability to play tackle and the footwork necessary to succeed. Also, a side note: Duke Johnson is an amazing runner. I really, really hope the Browns are interested in him because I desperately want to watch his tape. Between Walford, Dorsett and Flowers, I've seen this guy a ton. I hope the Browns have the same feelings I do.
  • Eddie Goldman, DT/3-4DE/NT, Florida State (PRI): This guy is absolutely NOT a NT, let's just get that out of the way now. He has all the size, but any time he was double teamed, he was taken totally out of the picture. That being said, the moves and athletic ability of a guy his size, (6-4, 336 LBS) is beyond impressive. I have a feeling if I popped in Phil Taylor's highlights, I'd see roughly the same guy. Goldman does give a more consistent effort, though.
 
Mike Mayock is at it again. He released a new prospect rankings and for the first time he has Mariota over Winston as the #1 QB. People in the media gush over Mayock but really I don't know how you can trust his evaluations. He does this kind of major flopping in the last weeks before the draft every year. I understand if there is an injury or off field changes but neither of those things happened between Mariota and Winston. He did the same thing with Tannehill a few years ago. Tannehill was a 3rd rd prospect at the start but after his pro day and noise about being a 1st rounder, Mayock moved him to a top 20 prospect.

He either gets paid off to move guys around, he is told by his superiors to have changes to his rankings to boost ratings or he just does a poor job of evaluating these guys. Most guys who have done scouting for a living say the prospect rankings almost never change this late in the year. Slight moves here or there but nothing significant. Yet you can count of Mayock making these kinds of things every year.
 
One thing I'm fairly confident in, any WR we draft will have one of the best WR coaches in the game in Joker Phillips. If they can't figure it the NFL and pro routes under him, they may never figure it out.
 
Phills14 said:
Mike Mayock is at it again. He released a new prospect rankings and for the first time he has Mariota over Winston as the #1 QB. People in the media gush over Mayock but really I don't know how you can trust his evaluations. He does this kind of major flopping in the last weeks before the draft every year. I understand if there is an injury or off field changes but neither of those things happened between Mariota and Winston. He did the same thing with Tannehill a few years ago. Tannehill was a 3rd rd prospect at the start but after his pro day and noise about being a 1st rounder, Mayock moved him to a top 20 prospect.

He either gets paid off to move guys around, he is told by his superiors to have changes to his rankings to boost ratings or he just does a poor job of evaluating these guys. Most guys who have done scouting for a living say the prospect rankings almost never change this late in the year. Slight moves here or there but nothing significant. Yet you can count of Mayock making these kinds of things every year.
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ESPNs job is to create stories for themselves at this point, none of it should be taken all that seriously.

He's a pawn, consuming any information he can from the sources he probably hasn't had to work for in order to pedal them to the masses, NFL teams know they can feed him just about anything in hopes of getting a reaction from someone else.

It's all a game.
 
It is all a game for sure, but I'm wondering if the Bucs have been less sold on Jameis than it's been portrayed for the past couple of months.
 
The NFL has two types of teams: Those with franchise quarterbacks, and those trying to find a franchise quarterback.

Within the latter characterization is a subcategory: Those so desperate to find a franchise quarterback that they’ll do anything to get one however they can and whatever it takes.

The Browns sit atop that subcategory. After burning a first-round pick in 2012 on Brandon Weedenand a first-round pick in 2014 on Johnny Manziel, the Browns are truly interested in using their two first-round picks in 2015 to move up and get Marcus Mariota, per multiple league sources.

Cleveland has selections No. 12 and No. 19. They acquired the 19th pick from Buffalo after trading down only five spots last year, from No. 4 to No. 9, so that the Bills could get receiver Sammy Watkins. Given that the price to jump from No. 9 to No. 4 in 2014 was a future first-round pick and a future fourth-round pick, it’s hard to know whether the No. 12 and No. 19 picks would be enough to get Mariota.

One major factor will be how high the Browns have to go to get him. If the Titans don’t take Mariota at No. 2 (and there’s a definite belief in some circles that they won’t, regardless of whether they should), the Jaguars at No. 3 and the Raiders at No. 4 surely won’t take him, because they each picked up competent young quarterbacks in last year’s draft. Would No. 12 and No. 19 be enough to give up a shot at edge rusher Dante Fowler, Jr. (for the Jaguars) or receivers Kevin White/Amari Cooper (for the Raiders)?

If not, Washington becomes the hot spot at No. 5. They’ve been trying to create the impression that they’d take Mariota if he’s there. That could be aimed at ensuring someone else takes him in the first four picks, pushing the guy they really want into their clutches. Or it could be aimed at creating leverage for a trade, with the “or else” in the negotiations being that, absent an offer that gets their attention from a team that covets Mariota, Washington will simply take him.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/09/browns-have-real-interest-in-moving-up-for-mariota/
 
Almost positive the Browns won't need to move up to 2 for Mariota.

Can't see the Titans going QB at all.
 
AZ_ said:
Almost positive the Browns won't need to move up to 2 for Mariota.

Can't see the Titans going QB at all.
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5 seems like the spot, if there's a trade-up. Just my opinion.
 
I don't trust the Jets to take him.

Well, at least someone is backing up what I've been saying for a while now :chuckle::

 
The Titans do need a QB, but they need a team to overpay for their draft spot even more. I think that is why we are hearing so much buzz around Mariota definitely off the table at pick #2.

The Rogers situation is a great parallel for Mariota. We see Rogers as that perfect blend of mobility and pocket presence now. Leaving Cal, he was still more of a running quarterback with a nice arm. He needed a few years running the first team offense in practice all week with Brett Favre playing on Sunday to become the QB we see today.
 
At this point I'm hoping that the Browns have a Manziel suitor interested in trading for him, but are going to wait to pull the trigger until we move up for Mariota on draft night. No sense in trading Johnny before that and revealing your hand. Once you officially move on from Johnny, everyone in the league knows your intentions of addressing the QB position in the draft.

The above logic is currently keeping me sane. If they have not moved on from Johnny/are not interested in trading up for Mariota.....

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