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"Overbid" obviously has bad connotation attached to it, so of course the Browns shouldn't overbid. But they should absolutely be aggressive in getting a guy who they think could be the franchise guy regardless of the need to invest a year in teaching him a pro offense. It would be short sighted to let that cloud the picture.
My main point with Mariota is that we have an opportunity here that is a perfect storm combining a talented QB prospect, a draft order conducive to trading up due to bad teams with young QBs already, and the ammunition to make a move. How many chances like this present themselves? If you have to trade the free 19th pick we gleaned last year due to Buffalo over valuing the WR position to move from 12 to 5, so be it. Waiting around for a young elite prospect ready to start from day 1 to fall into our laps after decades of not being able to fill the position is not a game I'm looking to play anymore.
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Just curious but how much of a knock should that really be on a prospect? I'm no expert, but don't most of these guys come from systems that aren't emulated in the pros? If a prospect has prototypical QB size (which Mariota does, right?), a good enough arm to make all the throws, exemplary college performance (Mariota fitting the bill on all these so far) and of course the kind of head on his shoulders that would make you proud to have him leading your franchise (slam dunk for Mariota in that category) ... shouldn't he be a top tier QB prospect?
I suppose the argument could be made that since he never really called plays in the huddle, or played in a one-read, or blah blah whatever the knock is on Mariota, we don't know if he CAN do that in the NFL. One thing I know is nobody will be outworking MM. I know that much.
Not saying go and trade for the guy right now. But if it does by some off chance occur, I'm not going to be mad.
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In Oregon's offense it's a knock, but you have to ask yourself how much of a knock it is that would lead some to label him a non-factor in year one.
You can limit what you want him to do if you've got a good running game (check), veteran WRs (check) and a decent enough coaching staff (?).
I know one thing, I'd rather have a guy like Mariota be limited in what he can do because of inexperience and roll with that over a guy like McCown who is limited by the fact he sucks.
Protect your QB, keep it simple and rely on your running game and defense to build a winner.
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So are you advocating Mariota? Thought you had soured on him. I like what you're saying, actually. I don't know if he needs to start from day one but I think we have a team that could pull it off if we did. Win with defense and your running game behind a bruising O-line, with a QB who manages the short throws and is mobile enough in the pocket to extend plays (what I had hoped Johnny would be).
Slowly expand his role from there each season.
Fuck it let's do it.
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Sure, I'm down for Marcus at 9-12. He can conceivably go there if Tennessee and New York choose a different direction.
He's not as NFL-ready as I thought he would be a year and a half ago, but the kid has unquestionably got some game.
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My concern would be other teams trading up. A guy who seems to be a top 5 talent at the most important position usually doesn't slide that far.
The only thing that makes me a little optimistic if the Browns trade up for Mariota is the fact O'Connell knows more about his NFL readiness than literally anyone else. What makes me cringe when it comes to trading into the top 6 is that the Browns have so many other holes to fill, partially because 3 of the past 4 years they will have drafted a QB in the first round, leaving such a gap in offensive skill everywhere else. First rounders are supposed to be the sure thing, the building block of the franchise's future. Is it time to get a new plan when it comes to QBs? If the college game isn't creating NFL ready products at this position, why do the Browns keep drafting them in the first round like they are sure things?
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Totally agree- I was going to mention someone else jumping ahead. And jumping ahead of NY means giving up multiple picks, which is a tough pill to swallow for us. That still leaves us with our (hopefully) 2nd round and later picks to address needs of course. It's something that would have to be heavily weighed.
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It's my opinion based off of the numerous things I've read. It's not that I don't think he could come in and win the job, it's that I don't expect him to.
There's plenty of learning to be had and while everyone says not to bet against him (a trait I really like about him), it's still a lot to ask for him to come in and learn on the fly. Perhaps, he comes in after... say... 6 games or so, but at that point, do you think he's going to be an improvement over McCown then, or will he need time to get used to playing?
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/...aft-mel-kiper-marcus-mariota-nfl-eagles-top-5
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/marcus-mariota?id=2552466
"Scheme-based quarterback who will face the same challenges that several quarterbacks before him have faced in terms of learning how to read defenses and go through progressions. The tape was less kind to Mariota than expected, but his size, athleticism and consistency of football character throughout his career are necessary traits in becoming a good-to-great quarterback. Mariota's ability to create outside the pocket will help win games here and there and buy him time as he plies his craft. However, to reach his potential and match the play with the traits, he must develop more poise and feel in the pocket and improve his field vision. Mariota is no lock to be a great NFL quarterback, but his floor is much higher than any of the quarterbacks drafted in 2014."
"Mariota needs development, so it may not benefit him to start immediately."
http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2015mmariota.php#mCABQuCZrTSZoGlR.99
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Yeah, I'm not in favor of trading up for him. That's just me, I am not that enamored by him. Would I take a flier on him if he's available with our first draft pick? Sure, I would. There's definitely talent there. Don't hate him, don't love him.
But, I don't think we should trade multiple picks to get him. I don't know, that's just me.
But I much rather have Mariota under center next season compared to what we currently have.
I really hope we don't go into next season with McCown and Manziel. I definitely wouldn't call the front office a "fail" if that's the case, but it will be depressing as hell, not going to lie.
But, I don't think we should trade multiple picks to get him. I don't know, that's just me.
But I much rather have Mariota under center next season compared to what we currently have.
I really hope we don't go into next season with McCown and Manziel. I definitely wouldn't call the front office a "fail" if that's the case, but it will be depressing as hell, not going to lie.
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A guy i pay attention to, Daniel Jeremiah, had an interesting comparison of Mariota. If you listen to his podcast he breaks down Mariota in depth. It's a mostly positive breakdown but at the end he compares Mariota's scouting report to the report he wrote for Tannehill. If Tannehill is the comparison, I'm cool with the Browns drafting Mariota at 12 but not moving up to acquire.
