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Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

My buddy was an assistant trainer for the redskins this past season and was in the locker room all the time and dealt with the players. He texted me this afternoon and said, "your Browns are stupid they hired Kyle Shanahan." I will try to get more information about why he doesn't like Shanahan
 
Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

My buddy was an assistant trainer for the redskins this past season and was in the locker room all the time and dealt with the players. He texted me this afternoon and said, "your Browns are stupid they hired Kyle Shanahan." I will try to get more information about why he doesn't like Shanahan

Kyle Shanahan was basically the defacto Head Coach and the players didnt like it. Doesnt surprise me the Redskins org. doesnt like him. Doesnt change the fact that hes the best mind out there and he should be allowed the same liberties his daddy allowed him.
 
Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

i just love how it always seems when I watch the Redskins that they devise plays to get Wide Receivers vertical and WIDE open. Must have seen it once a game last season and that is with what I would say is average wide outs. You factor in Gordan and most likely a first rounder in this years draft, I am excited. Now go out there and draft Bortles or Bridgewater and BOOM
 
Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

Yeah, best possible hire. Good move. Let's get to work.
 
Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

:cool:
 
Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

Nobody cares about the Skins organization's pure hatred of him?
 
Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

If he's really got some kind of attitude, he's not under daddy's wing anymore. Pettine can just body slam him.
 
Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

Bill Williamson of ESPN talking about what Shanahan will bring to the offense and what it means for the current players.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/3755/qb-would-be-key-for-shanahan-in-cleveland


The Cleveland Browns are rumored to be very interested in hiring Kyle Shanahan to be their new offensive coordinator. This would be a very good opportunity for Shanahan to get out of the shadow of his father as well as presumably develop a young, talented quarterback, which is a great path to take for a potential head coaching job in the future.

But let's discuss the scheme that Shanahan would be employing and how Cleveland's current personnel fits what Shanahan wants to do, as well as what the Browns would have to address on this side of the ball.

In the Shanahans' offense, everything starts with their zone-running scheme. As most know, this running game needs offensive linemen with great movement skills, and they can compromise size and to some degree, power, for agility, quickness and great body control.

This offense calls for a lot of designed quarterback movement as well as an extensive play-action package. Obviously Robert Griffin is an extreme athlete and with him the Redskins can do a great deal of read-option, but this offense has been successful with lesser, but somewhat underrated athletes, such as Matt Schaub and Jay Cutler. Being able to move is a must for quarterbacks in this scheme. Considering his familiarity, maybe Shanahan would have interest in trading for Kirk Cousins to be his starter in Cleveland, but the most likely scenario is the Browns drafting a quarterback such as Teddy Bridgewater, Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel or Derek Carr for Shanahan to develop. Brian Hoyer will be an excellent backup, but most likely, the Browns' starting quarterback is not currently on their roster.

On the offensive line, Joe Thomas -- an elite pass protector -- really fits any scheme. He is on pace for a potential Hall of Fame career, and most importantly should be able to secure the blind side of the Browns' new quarterback, which of course should make the new signal-caller's transition easier. At right tackle, Mitchell Schwartz isn't incredibly light on his feet, but that is not a weakness of his, either. He has entrenched himself as a quality starter, and the Browns have no reason to make a change at this position.

The interior for Cleveland is a different story. In the middle, Alex Mack is a free agent and will cost quite a bit to retain. But I think it is a move that Cleveland should make. While he isn't the most physical guy or a true mauler in the middle, Mack does move very well and having an established high-end anchor in the middle of this line to team with the pair of tackles should allow Shanahan and the new quarterback to succeed at a more rapid rate early in their development. Guard was a need when the season ended and would be exacerbated with the implementation of Shanahan's offense. John Greco is a quality starting guard overall, but is a questionable scheme fit, while Shawn Lauvao -- another free agent-to-be -- does not fit this scheme well at all. Letting Lauvao walk seems like an easy decision for Cleveland if Shanahan is indeed hired. Jason Pinkston is also in the mix and is a bit of a wild card considering his injury history. If the Browns keep Mack, adding a starting caliber guard in free agency or high in the draft would be wise. If Mack leaves, the interior of this unit will need plenty of work.

While the Shanahans have an outstanding history of turning mid-round draft picks into very productive NFL running backs, Cleveland, which might have the worst stable of backs in the league, definitely needs to address this position. Even before Shanahan was in the mix, the Browns were rumored to be interested in Ben Tate, who is an ideal fit. Edwin Baker also was impressive to finish the season and Dion Lewis will be returning from injury. That duo would provide quality depth, as Willis McGahee, a free agent, won't be brought back.

In terms of the receiving options, the Browns' cupboard isn't as bare as many would think. First off, this offense stresses getting the ball to a difference maker at the X receiver position, where guys like Brandon Marshall, Andre Johnson and Pierre Garcon have thrived and posted huge numbers as the team's top option. Josh Gordon is perfect for this role. The No. 2 wide receiver isn't a featured player in this offense. Shanahan demands his wide receivers to be good run blockers. Remember, everything stems from the running game in this offense. The blocking aspect and a new coach could favor Greg Little, who has the stature and after-the-catch skills required, but continues to be very inconsistent catching the football. While Little could rebound strong in this environment -- and with some stability at quarterback -- the Browns still need to bring in at least one more quality option at this position.

Of course much hinges on the development of the Browns' new young quarterback, but overall, there is a lot for Shanahan to work with here if he does in fact get the job. Not to mention, Cleveland has a lot of cap space and draft picks to fill these needs. This could be a much improved offense in 2014.
 
Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

Terry Pluto's Sunday Notes with some good info on what really happens during coordinator interviews...
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2014/02/terrys_talkin_about_the_clevel_3.html#incart_river

When the Browns bring in an offensive coordinator candidate, here is what they do. Let's use former Washington coordinator Kyle Shanahan as an example as he appears to be the choice of the Browns:

1. Before he arrives, lots of research will have been done. For example, the Browns talked to former coaches and players who were with Shanahan in Houston (2008-09), when he was offensive coordinator with the Texans. Part of the background checks were to determine not only if Shanahan called the plays, but if he authored the main part of the game plans. He was only 28 when hired, and he worked for head coach Gary Kubiak. Furthermore, Kubiak had been an offensive coordinator under Mike Shanahan in Denver.

2. The Browns discovered that Shanahan did quite a bit, especially in his second season. That was 2009, when Matt Schaub had his best pro season at quarterback. His record was 9-7 with a 98.6 rating, 29 touchdowns compared to 15 interceptions.

3. Shanahan wasn't the only reason for Schaub's success, but he called the plays and was a factor. Shanahan left after the 2009 season to join his father Mike Shanahan, who became the head coach in Washington. The Browns believe Shanahan had a very positive impact on Schaub.

4. They did the same research on Kyle Shanahan in Washington. For the most part, he designed the offense. And he was creative in trying to make it fit Robert Griffin III, who is not pocket passer. The problem is after RG III's knee injury, Washington had problems blending him into an offense in 2013.

5. When Shanahan arrived in Berea, he spent the day with new head coach Mike Pettine. At different parts of the day, he met with the front office: CEO Joe Banner, General Manager Mike Lombardi and Assistant General Manager Ray Farmer. The discussions with the front office were more big picture -- what was his general approach to offense, developing and evaluating quarterbacks, etc.

6. A lot of time was spent in the film room. Tapes from Washington's offense were shown, and Shanahan talked to Pettine and some of the other coaches (including defensive coordinator Jim O'Neil). These sessions were very detailed. The coordinator candidate was asked why certain plays were called, why the game plan took a certain direction, etc.

7. The coordinator also worked on the board, doing Xs and Os. This is the kind of stuff that coaches love.

8. The Browns have been impressed that Pettine appears to have a good sense about offense, even though he has been a defensive coach in the pros. Pettine was an All-State quarterback for his father at Central Bucks West High (Pa.). He played free safety at Virginia.

9. They didn't show much tape of the Browns, because that wasn't Shanahan's offense. Yes, they did discuss some of the Browns players. But it was more about what Shanahan did and why he did it when he was a coordinator in Washington and Houston.

10. They went through much of the same process with Dowell Loggains, who was offensive coordinator in Tennessee for five games in 2012 and for all of 2013. He was fired along with head coach Mike Munchak. The Browns have made Loggains the quarterback coach, a job he had for 2 1/2 years in Tennessee before taking over as offensive coordinator.

11. It's harder to evaluate a candidate such as John DeFilippo, the quarterback coach from Oakland. Other than one season as an offensive coordinator (San Jose State, 2011), he has always been a position coach. So more of the discussions are hypothetical than looking at his own offense.

12. The Browns discussed Loggains with several offensive coordinator candidates, making sure they would be able to work together.
 
Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

Nobody cares about the Skins organization's pure hatred of him?

The Skins are just as, if not more, dysfunctional as the Browns. You would not put any value of the Browns' view of a coach if he went to another organization, so I'm not sure why you see the Skins' reputation as solid enough to adopt for your assessment of Shanny's character.

A lot of the hatred also was due to his relationship to the coach and his young age. He can't do anything about it.
 
Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

Kind of like the idea of Carlos Hyde running in a well-executed zone system...
 
Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

Nobody cares about the Skins organization's pure hatred of him?

His dad locked himself in his office, doing his best to get fired, and made his kid run the show.

Anything that happened in a dysfunctional locker room in Washington is kinda mitigated by the fact he's been an OC elsewhere and did very very well.
 
Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

Does anyone else really like this hire? Best blend of youth, experience and know-how left on the board, IMO. Always loved watching his dad's offenses...
 
Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

Does anyone else really like this hire? Best blend of youth, experience and know-how left on the board, IMO. Always loved watching his dad's offenses...

Too early to say whether I really like or dislike anything. Always optimistic, but I'm not getting my hopes up too much.
 
Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

Does anyone else really like this hire? Best blend of youth, experience and know-how left on the board, IMO. Always loved watching his dad's offenses...

My answer to this question depends on the context. If it is framed by what was available at this point in time, then I'd say it was about the best the Browns could do. Shanahan may controversial given how ugly the Skins season was last year and the poor locker room dynamics. But, he is at least experienced and has had some success in the past.

However, if it is framed by what we had before we decided to switch coaches, then I can't say that I like the move. I think that Turner is a better offensive coordinator than Shanahan. The whole point of a coaching regime change is to get better coaches. I can't say right now that Pettine, Shanahan, and O'neil improve upon the staff that was in place last year. Who knows how this will all turn out, but that is how I see it now.
 

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