Jim O'Neil is Frisco's Problem at DC

[AZ_]

Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

Again, I really don't care how we go about hiring people, as long as it's the right guys. If we win next year, are you going to look back at how we hired these guys? Yeah, probably not..

And again, people are freaking out when there's been no definitive proof that we hired the QB coach before the OC..

Loggains has pretty much been locked in as QB coach.

Unless you're insinuating the OC choice has already been made as well. Which has had even less definitive proof, but wouldn't surprise me either.

It isn't a huge deal, but speaks toward future problems with communication among the coaching staff.

Just little things here and there to let us know that they're struggling with how to properly run an NFL franchise.

 

[Soda]

Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

It doesn't make sense from a logical standpoint. Whereas if you do it the other way around, the presumably higher level coaching talent is given the option to select guys he knows he's compatible.

It's piecemeal and disorganized.

They're hiring guys that you have no idea if their chief coordinators are going to mesh with or even agree with from a systematic standpoint.

The reason people get caught up in how it's supposed to go is because they've observed other teams that end up being successful doing it that way. And additionally, credible media types have been criticizing the way Browns have done things with not just opinions, but with info they've been given by agents, other front offices and people who actually matter and have legitimate opinions.

If it smells like a rat...

Leaves me to guess that the desirable guys they want, once again, don't want them.

Really?

Yes, I am concerned with how things are supposed to go. Proven, logical ways of doing things as opposed to the disorganized way of the current regime, yes I have a pretty good deal of concern there.

:chuckles:

 

[MoFlo]

Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

It doesn't make sense from a logical standpoint. Whereas if you do it the other way around, the presumably higher level coaching talent is given the o
They're hiring guys that you have no idea if their chief coordinators are going to mesh with or even agree with from a systematic standpoint.

The reason people get caught up in how it's supposed to go is because they've observed other teams that end up being successful doing it that way. And additionally, credible media types have been criticizing the way Browns have done things with not just opinions, but with info they've been given by agents, other front offices and people who actually matter and have legitimate opinions.

If it smells like a rat...

Leaves me to guess that the desirable guys they want, once again, don't want them.

This doesn't make sense to me.. so there's no bad teams at all that hire guys in the proper order?

And again, no proof that loggains is going to be the QB coach.

And we've gone through this how many times now? Multiple reports saying they wanted Callahan but Dallas wouldn't let him out of his contract.. but lets ignore that, it has to be that our top choice turned us down ..

 

[AZ_]

Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

And again, no proof that loggains is going to be the QB coach.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>From today's paper: <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Browns&amp;src=hash">#Browns</a> hire former <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Titans&amp;src=hash">#Titans</a> OC Dowell Loggains: <a href="http://t.co/FX5eahBqSN">http://t.co/FX5eahBqSN</a></p>&mdash; Nate Ulrich (@NateUlrichABJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ/statuses/429248450811547648">January 31, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Dowell Loggains expected to be Browns quarterbacks coach <a href="http://t.co/RLFRb8LOy4">http://t.co/RLFRb8LOy4</a></p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/statuses/429225096167698433">January 31, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Report: <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Browns&amp;src=hash">#Browns</a> hire Dowell Loggains <a href="http://t.co/hhYYn3H74w">http://t.co/hhYYn3H74w</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/FOXSports">@FoxSports</a></p>&mdash; Fred Greetham (@FredGreethamOBR) <a href="https://twitter.com/FredGreethamOBR/statuses/429267611885387777">January 31, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Dowell Loggains Latest To Join <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Browns&amp;src=hash">#Browns</a> Staff As Quarterbacks Coach « CBS Cleveland <a href="http://t.co/XhGnwgVeVf">http://t.co/XhGnwgVeVf</a></p>&mdash; Daryl Ruiter (@RuiterWrongFAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/statuses/429041842013749248">January 31, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Ocelot]

Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

I really couldn't care less who's laughing at us or how we hire our coaches, as long as we hire the right ones.

IMO, people get too caught up in who gets hired first or how things are "supposed" to go

While making the right hires is obviously important, I'm not sure that having a reliable and repeatable process in place isn't more important. Even in the event that all the hires end up being positive ones, there is a strong likelihood that in the not so distant future positions are going to have to be filled. Whether coordinators, scouts, or whatever, it would be nice to have faith that the organization has the ability to identify and obtain the best options reliably.

You can split 10's at a blackjack table and walk away with a nice profit, but that doesn't mean the decision was a good one and repeating the same process is likely to hurt you in the future.

Now we don't have the level of access or transparency to actually know for sure what the process was to make these hires, so criticizing definitively is difficult and is going to rely on a bit of speculation to land comfortable on either side.

Regardless of how the coaches perform, I still think that 'how we hire' has to be evaluated and in the long run may be more important than 'who' is hired.

 

[Phills14]

Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

I'm more upset with the unconventional and seemly chaotic approach the Browns have taken to obtain the coaching staff. When you go through a clearly defined and communicated process you get credibility and the benefit of the doubt. When the target seems to be bouncing all around you look like fools. Right now, again whether it's fair or not, the Browns are viewed as fools in the NFL community and I'm speaking of GMs, Coaches and Players. That perception matters and that perception is real.

The next phase of the off season is free agency. If a player has a choice between the Browns and another organization where the money and fit are comparable, what do you think is the deciding factor outside of physical location? More times than not, the deciding factor is the player believes in what the organization is doing and feels it's moving in a positive direction. With the Browns completely unable to control their own PR, they've allowed players to think they are being turned down by candidates left and right, they are hiring position coaches before coordinators so no one will be on the same page, and they got rid of their head coach in 1 year so they can get rid of me just as easily. Also the fan base and the local media is up in arms about the front office. Not to mention the owner may go to federal prison. That is not attractive. That does not install confidence that they know what they are doing.

The thing that burns me is this whole perception doesn't have to be. I'm sure the process isn't as messed up or chaotic as it's portrayed to be. If they controlled their own PR, got out in front of stories instead of keeping this ridiculous veil of secrecy they wouldn't have to take all the arrows they do. It's avoidable but they choose to go down the unnecessary path.

 

[Phills14]

Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

This doesn't make sense to me.. so there's no bad teams at all that hire guys in the proper order?

And again, no proof that loggains is going to be the QB coach.

And we've gone through this how many times now? Multiple reports saying they wanted Callahan but Dallas wouldn't let him out of his contract.. but lets ignore that, it has to be that our top choice turned us down ..

Sure teams follow the conventional ways and fail every year. Many of the 'good hires' today will look terrible in 2-3 years. But they will get a bounce of PR for making what is perceived to be smart hires through a well planned process. They will get the benefit of the doubt from the fans, media and prospective players which gives them a reasonable opportunity to obtain success. What they do with it is up to them. The Browns however; have to spend a lot more energy and time answering question and convincing players, coaches, fans, media why they are smarter than everyone else in the NFL and take a different, more difficult path.

 

[Sly]

Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

Are we certain that Dowell Loggains is an actual person? It sounds like a made up name on the fly.

 

[NorthCoastBias]

Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>One other name to keep an eye on in Browns offensive coordinator search should it extend to next week: Broncos RBs coach Eric Studesville.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/statuses/429659406943277056">February 1, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Also, hearing the same as <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot">@MaryKayCabot</a> -- That Kyle Shanahan is still in the mix. I'm told Browns are having coaches study Redskins tape.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/statuses/429659715337846784">February 1, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Phills14]

Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

I'd love for them to get Shanahan. His zone blocking scheme would be perfect here (assuming we can add some athletic guards).

Strange path to get to him if they do go that route though.

 

[NorthCoastBias]

Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Source tells <a href="https://twitter.com/FOXSports">@foxsports</a> that Kyle Shanahan is <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23browns&amp;src=hash">#browns</a> new offensive coordinator</p>&mdash; Alex Marvez (@alexmarvez) <a href="https://twitter.com/alexmarvez/statuses/429670017408311296">February 1, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Boom

 

[Ohio]

Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

Very okay with that.

 

[JMcCurry08]

Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

Love this hire

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

Shanahan with Loggains is a coup for a team that hired their coach so late.

Impressed with the coaching staff, now we need the QB

 

[Soar]

Re: Browns hire Jim O'Neil as DC.. OC still TBA

Not bad.