I honestly have never really understood the notion that one can be justifiably outraged at people who feel outrage as some kind of assumed equivalence.
For one, I'm not running around feeling outrage. I think this is all remarkable, but I've given up on trying to convince people of the issue. I think folks just aren't being rational.
But secondly, if someone says "this is a racist caricature that we should stop using," and another says "I find this depiction offensive;" what is the valid opposition position that can state "I'm offended at you taking offense to my racial caricature.."
How does that work, rationally? Who are these people who get worked up over wanting to be able to use a racial caricature as a sports mascot in 2016?
Again, I get nostalgia; great... but let's all at least acknowledge what we're talking about. The mascot is a racial caricature.
Because I think its a shot at the intellect of someone who doesn't mind the logo, and views it as a logo for a sports team, and not an actual representation of an actual Native American...which is exactly what shoes is saying he views it as...a sports logo and only a sports logo.
That's why shoes continues to argue with you on your stance. He is saying he, as well as anyone else who looks at the logo with the current moral compass of a human being in 2016, only views it as a logo, and not an accurate portrayal of a group of people. But you keep detracting that portion of his argument in favor of continuing down the path that the logo only brings up racist feelings, which is obviously false as shoes is showing.
The situation is more broad than "its racist" or "its tradition"...that's the entire point I'm trying to make. Arguing on behalf of removing or keeping the logo for one of those 2 reasons in the quotes is why this discussion is still going on, and no real progress is being made on either side.
I'm all for removing the Chief, I think I've made that point clear with you enough.
But I'd also like to think that the current version of myself is smart enough, and not a giant asshole, to the point where as long as I see Chief while it is around, I will associate it with the Cleveland Indians baseball team, and the baseball team alone.
That is a legit stance people are taking, one that completely differs from the I want to keep it "because of tradition" argument that is the exact opposite of the "remove it because its racist" argument.
As long as its only viewed as that, which it still is, the argument will keep moving in circles...I mean, just read this thread from beginning to now...its literally the same shit just in monthly intervals, and still nothing has changed.
