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If we planned on trading Love, in a scenario to get Cousins, the Lakers would want a more than just that.

And let's not forget, I'm not sure the number 2 pick alone isn't all that the Kings would want.

There's no way they can trade Cousins, just centered around that pick alone, IMO.

They are nuts. I think both these big men in the draft can be very good players, franchise players. I don't see them as good as Cousins.

I think the Kings are showing us why they're a terrible franchise though.
 
The Kings do not do that trade...not by a long shot.
 
The Kings do not do that trade...not by a long shot.

Yea that's the other problem. That's not nearly enough for them, imo.

It's not like COusins is about to bolt. They don't have to deal him at all. It's gonna have to, at a minimum, include Julius Randle, which would bring me back to my original question which is why would the Lakers do a deal like that? Someone give me the scenario wherein Kevin Love wants to play for the Lakers, is willing to play for the Lakers, but is also under contract with the Cavs.
 
let me get this straight, Lakers get Cousins via trade then trade him for Kevin Love? lol....

yea trade away the best center in basketball for kevin love, makes sense....
 
I'm not understanding why the Lakers would do this. If Love opts out, they can just sign him outright. ANd if he's willing to play there, why wouldn't they do that as opposed to trading the #2 pick?

Does this scenario involved deceiving Love into staying here so we have leverage and then moving him? Cause that might work, but I wouldn't be in favor of something like that.
I guess my three team trade scenario would only make sense if Love opted in.
 
I think it's funny watching everyone talk themselves into this. As if LBJ is the horse whisperer of NBA jack asses and he can cure all of them. He can't. He didn't even cure Smith, who reverted to being JR Smith in the Finals. Sure as hell didn't get through to AndOne.

The Kings are a dysfunctional mess but Boogie is a big reason why. The ownership- management situation doesn't mean he is not a problem. It just covers it up. I fail to see how he succeeds here as the 3rd option- and that will not change just because your swap Love for Cousins.
 
I think it's funny watching everyone talk themselves into this. As if LBJ is the horse whisperer of NBA jack asses and he can cure all of them. He can't. He didn't even cure Smith, who reverted to being JR Smith in the Finals. Sure as hell didn't get through to AndOne.

The Kings are a dysfunctional mess but Boogie is a big reason why. The ownership- management situation doesn't mean he is not a problem. It just covers it up. I fail to see how he succeeds here as the 3rd option- and that will not change just because your swap Love for Cousins.

JR's attitude wasn't a problem at all. He was fine, he did all that was asked. His game came up short. And that's not exactly a surprise, because he's always been a streaky player. But JR didn't run out on us and become a severe problem.

Dion Waiters is just an idiot. He thinks he's better than he is.

Cousins, talent and the ability to play the game isn't his problem.

I just don't get how any coach, at all, that's supposed to be good, comes in for just half a season, and is ready to show the door to their only bright spot on the team. I like Karl, I always have, but my opinion of him has changed dramatically as a coach.

That's bad coaching, or just not willing to even meet someone half way.

And what's more troubling, the minute Boogie made that snake in the grass post. Previous good players that played under Karl, followed that up.

'Melo (okay, maybe he's not the greatest example in the world) but Iguadala did himself, he was just finals MVP.

It speaks more to George Karl right now, than Boogie Cousins.

Boogie Cousins is difficult, but he's hardly the first talented but difficult personality to deal with. This is the NBA, those guys grow on trees.

Shaq was once seen as difficult and uncoachable. Kobe, Iverson, hell, Kyrie Irving got that label last year.

Good coaches, and putting these guys in a good and positive atmosphere, you can usually find a way for them to co-exist enough that in results in winning.

Just hard to see Cousins as a big problem, given how truly horrific that franchise is, and they've put him in a bad situation, and its only going to bring out the worst in him personality wise.
 
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I think it's funny watching everyone talk themselves into this. As if LBJ is the horse whisperer of NBA jack asses and he can cure all of them. He can't. He didn't even cure Smith, who reverted to being JR Smith in the Finals. Sure as hell didn't get through to AndOne.

The Kings are a dysfunctional mess but Boogie is a big reason why. The ownership- management situation doesn't mean he is not a problem. It just covers it up. I fail to see how he succeeds here as the 3rd option- and that will not change just because your swap Love for Cousins.

JR not playing well in the Finals means he "reverted back to" some old habit or something? Guy had a bad series. It happens. JR is shooter, that's all he is and shooters go hot and cold. He went hot and won us some games. Then he went cold and it cost us in the Finals. Nature of the beast.
 
Bump.

Will he be traded?

Would you trade Love for him? (@gourimoko 's conversation idea)

Could we maybe even see a 3 team trade?

Cavs get: Cousins, Gay
Lakers get: Love
Kings get: Haywood, #2 overall pick, other picks & fillers

No.
 
JR not playing well in the Finals means he "reverted back to" some old habit or something? Guy had a bad series. It happens. JR is shooter, that's all he is and shooters go hot and cold. He went hot and won us some games. Then he went cold and it cost us in the Finals. Nature of the beast.

I don't even think he was that bad. The problem is, he become the number 2 guy. And, I think he became a little more of the focal point for GS's defense, too. Kerr said it himself, we can't let JR go off crazy. I think some of it was by design.

JR as the number 2 guy? Yikes! Not my cup of tea. This is the same as blaming Mo for not living up to that role in the playoffs, too.

These guys aren't number 2 options. And when they are, yeah, it looks pretty bad.

But the JR that was the team's 4th option, looks soooooo much better on this team.

His bad finals doesn't result in that there become a problem with him. The problem was we ran out of talent, that's all.
 
If he were a Cav, The Bullshit Whisperer would be acting as if he's better than Wilt.

Seriously, in a NBA era where dominant big men are dying, to not understand the serious value he has just speaks to The Bullshit Whisperer's lack of brain cells.

His value is way, way higher than Kevin Love's, and look at how much we had to cough up for him?
 
Wow: I was interested in Karl as a possible Cavs coach but looks like we dodged a possible bullet. Surprised this hasn't been more publicized.

Here’s Why Carmelo Anthony, Ray Allen, And Other Former Players Feel George Karl Is A Snake
BY DIME MAGAZINE • 06.23.15
#CARMELO ANTHONY #TWITTER

George Karl is reportedly fomenting a rebellion of sorts by shaping a cadre of players and front office personnel in support of his plans to trade all-star, DeMarcus Cousins.

Cousins responded to the report with a thinly-veiled emoji-only tweet seeming to equate Karl with a snake in the grass.*



After that, we stumbled across an r/NBA thred who had nabbed a few more tweets from former players under Karl. Most used the same theme — a snake — to voice their displeasure with him in code:

There was ‘Melo in 2011, two days after he was dealt to the Knicks in a three-team blockbuster:



In the spring of last year, Andre Iguodala sent this tweet out:



It came after Karl voiced a pretty damning theory about his former player. Iggy, who played for Karl on the Nuggets during the 2012-13 season before being eliminated by the Warriors in a first-round playoff upset that spring, was dealt to Golden State — per his own wishes — in July of 2013.

Karl said in an interview he thought Iggy was acting as a “mole” for the Warriors in their first-round win.

Q: Do you think Andre Iguodala was Mark Jackson’s “mole”?

A: No question.

Q: Does that bug you?

A: I just think that’s media hype. I mean, that series was not a physical series. Everybody wants to be more aggressive with the guy kicking your ass, so . . . .

Here’s what Karl’s former point guard tweeted on July 1, 2012, which just so happened to be the day the Nuggets signed Andre Miller to a three-year deal as Lawson’s backup and late-game closer (something that probably didn’t sit too well with him).



Then there’s J.R., who sent this tweet in October of 2011. That’s more than a half year after Smith’s buddy was dealt to New York. At this point, J.R. was on the cusp of playing in China with the CBA negotiations dragging until December. But let’s go ahead and make it seem like Swish is calling out Karl, too.



As SB Nation’s Tom Ziller pointed out on Twitter this morning, Karl ran into some of the same issues with Kendall Gill and Ray Allen almost two decades prior to this latest bit of tripe.

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Here’s what happened to Gill while playing for Karl in 1995:

He couldn’t believe it. He was young, wealthy and talented, grounded by a wonderful family and lucky enough to be in love with the first girl he ever kissed. All that and he was playing basketball for a Seattle team bound for 57 victories. But he was playing for Coach George Karl. Gill will tell you that Karl was the source of his sleepless nights during April 1995, that Karl was the reason he took a medical leave for five days that month.

”I was like, depression?” Gill said, sitting in the lobby of a team hotel on Friday during the Nets’ trip to Boston, quietly explaining the past. ”I wasn’t crying. I wasn’t feeling down and out. What I was, was furious. I felt that the next time I saw George, I was going to do something to him. That’s how I felt. That’s how furious I was.”

And Allen blames Karl for the deadline deal sending him from Milwaukee to Seattle in 2003.

But the next year, despite an all-star year from Allen, the Bucks failed to reach the playoffs. Allen had another solid season in 2002-’03, but his relationship with Karl had deteriorated and the stunning trade was made at the February deadline, when the Bucks were in Seattle.

“It came too much to an abrupt end,” Allen said of his Bucks career. “It still seemed like there was more to be done here.

“Ultimately, I think it was the whole George Karl relationship. We started butting heads and it ended up not working.

“There was too much management of players. I didn’t feel like I had any problem with anybody. Sometimes you add one, or you subtract one, especially when the chemistry is a little bad, and that’s what happened.”

Allen said he tried to learn from any mistakes he made with Karl when he moved on and played for other coaches, including Nate McMillan in Seattle and Doc Rivers with Boston.

“George was probably one of the best coaches I’ve played for,” Allen said. “He was great with the Xs and Os. At the end of the day, it became a soap opera, I think.”

Allen said he has barely talked to Karl since the trade was made, even though he has faced Karl’s Denver teams numerous times.

Allen used even harsher language when talking to Associated Press in 2003, claiming, “I started despising him.”

It seems Allen would sit down to talk things out with Karl, but “it always ended up being him talking and me listening.”

This is quite a bit of evidence supporting the report from earlier today that George Karl is trying to force a Cousins trade this summer.

Is he a snake in the grass? We’ll let you decide.

*We’re old, so it took us a while to make out what the hell it was trying to say. Thankfully, Bansky is a lot more hip than us.
 
Wow: I was interested in Karl as a possible Cavs coach but looks like we dodged a possible bullet. Surprised this hasn't been more publicized.

I think he knows the game well, he's a good coach at an X's and O's standpoint, but we're seeing first hand why he's so limited.

He's not willing to bend, or at least compromise with this prima donna type sense of entitlement these superstars have.

And look, maybe Karl has a valid point, that they all act like entitled jackasses. It's definitely possible, but this is part of the NBA culture. Maybe this wasn't the case when he was growing up playing in the league.

I often see this old school mentality clash with this new school so often.

But it is what it is, you're not going to change an entire culture, just because you think its wrong.

You either adapt, or you die. And apparently Karl is never going to adapt, so he's never going to go very far in this league because of it.
 

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