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Is Kevin Love a Hero for Saving a Dog?

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 48.3%

  • Too Right!

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • Hotter than Jimmy G

    Votes: 15 25.9%

  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 13 22.4%
  • Total voters
    58
JR was frustrated with Crowder plowing into him first at the free throw line, then continuing to shove him under the basket. I think it was an accident in that he probably thought Crowder was still in his back pocket, when in reality Crowder had backed off to go for the rebound.

But the fact is he whipped his arm around and caught him. He's actually lucky Crowder wasn't hurt worse (in the face, I know his knee got hurt). JR will receive some sort of punishment and honestly, he deserves something.
 
MirORich said:
Watched the game and have seen the video and vines countless time in real speed and all manner of slo mos. Thanks though.

The only thing it conclusively shows me is that Olynyk cheated by making a bush league, non basketball move to keep Love away from the basketball. Because of the danger involved in that, at minimum he should have gotten a flagrant 2 and been ejected.
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Mir, your view seems entirely predicated on the belief that Olynyk is above this type of play; even when the guy on the floor with him disagrees.

Even after watching the Celtics routinely try to injure our players to start the game? I mean, it was blatantly obvious that the physicality of the game had gotten out of hand and the refs were implicitly encouraging this by not calling the Celtics on their antics.

I don't see any reason to support the idea that this wasn't intentional when we have so many intentional incidents very much like this even in this game by both teams.

It's like saying Perkins' choke/throwdown of Crowder was just a bad screen. It wasn't. Blatt, probably the most even keeled person on the floor, deliberately sent Perkins in to send a message, even if it meant putting Crowder on the ground by way of his throat. When Perkins didn't get ejected, Blatt left him on the floor. When Olynyk came back in the game, Blatt immediately put Perkins back in the game, knowing exactly what he did earlier. This isn't intentional?

I dunno why you'd think some of these guys are above this... they aren't....

This had been going on for several games, but Olynyk took the physicality to another level.

He deliberately tried to hurt Kevin Love and I firmly believe everyone on the Cavs would tell you the same thing. Just as Kyrie was deliberately mugged, just as Kyrie was Jalen Rose'd, just as LeBron was manhandled, and just as Crowder got popped, then slapped, then damn near knocked out.

Boston had been threatening us with this the whole series. Olynyk decided to make good on that threat in a 3-0 elimination game.
 
Rich said:
You swing your arm backwards like that with an idea of where the other guy is then you had better be prepared to live with the consequences if you end up hitting his face.

Same stuff with Olynyk applies to Smith. Whether or not he meant to injure Crowder doesn't matter. He made a non-basketball play with full intention of at least hitting Crowder (if not the head). He should be punished accordingly.
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He WAS punished accordingly, flagrant 2 and ejected from the game. Olynyk was not, common foul. Olynyk deserves a suspension, JR does not. Neither guy intended to injure the other guy but both intentionally made reckless plays that led to injuries. Olynyk deserves to be upgraded to a Flagrant 2 and to miss the first game of the year. JR's Flagrant 2 should stand and he shouldn't face further suspension. There's NO WAY he could've known that he was striking Crowder in the face unless he has eyes in the back of his head. He swung his arm back and deserved the ejection as a result but the face contact and the knee injury from the resulting fall was all incidental.
 
To be fair to JR, and I am not condoning what he did. It was unfortunate, but I am glad these guys are willing to take some sort of stand. They were getting a lot of hard fouls, dirty hits on them throughout the series.

Sooner or later, you got to stand up to it. Not condoning what happen to Crowder, or that JR went a little too far. What I can't tolerate is allowing a team to be a bully out there, and accepting.

Bringing in Perk was great, and allow him to send a message to Boston you're not going to do this.


Terrible job by the refs having no control in this game, where do they get these idiots?
 
SuperSurge said:
JR was frustrated with Crowder plowing into him first at the free throw line, then continuing to shove him under the basket. I think it was an accident in that he probably thought Crowder was still in his back pocket, when in reality Crowder had backed off to go for the rebound.

But the fact is he whipped his arm around and caught him. He's actually lucky Crowder wasn't hurt worse (in the face, I know his knee got hurt). JR will receive some sort of punishment and honestly, he deserves something.
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This makes sense to me. You see players clear out with their baseline arm all the time.

He definitely deserved the ejection... but Dwade elbowed Stephenson in the head and was only given a flagrant one and no suspension ...
 
Crowder didn't do one outrageous thing but you could tell he was going to go into the second half looking to start trouble.

Unfortunately he tried to start trouble with JR and JR lost his cool.
 
Soar said:
Crowder didn't do one outrageous thing but you could tell he was going to go into the second half looking to start trouble.

Unfortunately he tried to start trouble with JR and JR lost his cool.
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Crowder had been overly aggressive, gripping, scratching, clawing, pushing, and scrapping with LeBron. He stepped underneath and pushed Kyrie. Evan Turner and Sullinger got their shots in on Kyrie and LeBron as well... all series.

And you're right, the second half he came out swinging and got knocked out.
 
Scar4343 said:
He WAS punished accordingly, flagrant 2 and ejected from the game. Olynyk was not, common foul. Olynyk deserves a suspension, JR does not. Neither guy intended to injure the other guy but both intentionally made reckless plays that led to injuries. Olynyk deserves to be upgraded to a Flagrant 2 and to miss the first game of the year. JR's Flagrant 2 should stand and he shouldn't face further suspension. There's NO WAY he could've known that he was striking Crowder in the face unless he has eyes in the back of his head. He swung his arm back and deserved the ejection as a result but the face contact and the knee injury from the resulting fall was all incidental.
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I don't know how we have so many mind readers in here.

Notice in my post how I leave their intent to injure out of it. There is no possible way in hell of knowing whether or not Olynyk intended to injure Love or whether or not Smith intended to injure Crowder. What they intended was to commit the act which resulted in the injury.
 
the free arm Love had should have used to smash Olynyk face... Very concerned the chances for a title diminished if Love is out 4-6 weeks.
 
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gourimoko said:
Mir, your view seems entirely predicated on the belief that Olynyk is above this type of play; even when the guy on the floor with him disagrees.

Even after watching the Celtics routinely try to injure our players to start the game? I mean, it was blatantly obvious that the physicality of the game had gotten out of hand and the refs were implicitly encouraging this by not calling the Celtics on their antics.

I don't see any reason to support the idea that this wasn't intentional when we have so many intentional incidents very much like this even in this game by both teams.

It's like saying Perkins' choke/throwdown of Crowder was just a bad screen. It wasn't. Blatt, probably the most even keeled person on the floor, deliberately sent Perkins in to send a message, even if it meant putting Crowder on the ground by way of his throat. When Perkins didn't get ejected, Blatt left him on the floor. When Olynyk came back in the game, Blatt immediately put Perkins back in the game, knowing exactly what he did earlier. This isn't intentional?

I dunno why you'd think some of these guys are above this... they aren't....

This had been going on for several games, but Olynyk took the physicality to another level.

He deliberately tried to hurt Kevin Love and I firmly believe everyone on the Cavs would tell you the same thing. Just as Kyrie was deliberately mugged, just as Kyrie was Jalen Rose'd, just as LeBron was manhandled, and just as Crowder got popped, then slapped, then damn near knocked out.

Boston had been threatening us with this the whole series. Olynyk decided to make good on that threat in a 3-0 elimination game.
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I've got to run so I can't continue on in this convo for 5-6 hours, but I will say I am at least open to the possibility the the intent of the foul was to injure vs. simply cheaply preventing Love to get to the ball. But by no means do I think that is conclusive and a lot of what I'm reading of about the physicality of this series is what you read year after year in almost every playoff series. We've just been out of the mix the past 4 years and have been impartial observers to other teams fortunes and misfortunes. Being back in the mix ourselves has a definite affect on the way we view these things.
 
The more I see the Vine of Love's injury, the more pissed I get...

You'd think as a fraternity of players, you'd realize that enough injuries happen organically. In a series that was already over, why take it further? Even if (benefit of the doubt) he didn't mean to dislocate his shoulder, he was definitely trying to cheap-shot Love.
 
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