Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

[gaitano]

Yeah, him swinging is arm back was intentional. But I just don't think JR knew or tried to smash his face. CHHouder was falling and JR didn't even look before swinging backwards.

Agrred, he swung his arm around behind him but he wasn't even looking. The refs made an example out of him, he would not have been ejected if the prior events starting with Olynyk's dirty arm-bar take-down hadn't occurred.

 

[czvo]

I'm not sure what you're looking at Mir...


If you notice the clasping of the inner-arm with the elbow pointed down at a 90 degree angle, the momentary pause to set the grip, then the fast downward jerking motion with his shoulder and the subsequent dislocation.

It was 100% intentional.

To me, the part of the video that seals his intent is the end, when he raises his hand as if he didn't do anything. He knew he got away with something illegal and tried to act innocent.

 

[Surge]

If Olynyk doesn't get some type of punishment, it's crazy...

(I am fully prepared for him to not be punished.)

 

[MirORich]

What other purpose is there in giving an armbar if not to cause harm or injury? To check for hidden tattoos or needle tracks?

As I mentioned, I don't think Olynyk made a strategic decision to use a wrestling technique, regardless of what it looked like. Even if the result and look are the same.

You actually think, before any rough play that happened afterwards, at 9 minutes into the game, Olynyk was looking for an opportunity to use a wrestling technique to intend to injure and take a Cavs player out of the game?

It was irresponsible, it was a non basketball play, it was bush league, but I just don't see the premeditated intent to injure. What I see is an inferior basketball player cheating to try to prevent his man from getting to the basketball.

Even though the end result is far worse, I don't think the act was on the level of the Bynum elbow to Barea or the Artest elbow to Harden.

But who know, I don't spend time watching wrestling, MMA, UFC, and the like. if I did, maybe I'd be convinced that Olynyk used a combat technique to mindfully not just gain an advantage, but mindfully intend to injure Love.

 

[Bulls_fan]

Agree. But crap happens. Who the heck knows, maybe Rose and Butler both tear ACLs tomorrow against the Bucks

I am glad the other Cavs fans are not in agreement with this trash. You are the Kelly Olynik of this message board.

 

[Soar]

Hey at least we don't have to worry about any Kevin Love to Boston rumors now.

 

[blommen]

To me, the part of the video that seals his intent is the end, when he raises his hand as if he didn't do anything. He knew he got away with something illegal and tried to act innocent.

My guess is he wanted to keep Love away from the ball so the retard decides latch on to his arm with all his weight. the moment he hears/feels Love's shoulder give out he realizes just how much he fucked up and high tailed out of there. arms over his head instead of admitting that he just fucked Love up. I don't even care if he didn't look to injure, he is professional friggin' athlete he should realize just how fucking dangerous that move was to pull off. He is a god damn idiot.

 

[MirORich]

I'm not sure what you're looking at Mir...


First he comes down on his shoulder with the inner-elbow while holding Kevin's arm. This was the first intentional means of injuring Kevin's shoulder.

Then, if you notice the clasping of the inner-arm with the elbow pointed down at a 90 degree angle, the momentary pause to set the grip, then the fast downward jerking motion with his shoulder and the subsequent dislocation.

It was 100% intentional. He took two attempts at it before Kevin Love was yelling for him to get off.

Watched the game and have seen the video and vines countless time in real speed and all manner of slo mos. Thanks though.

The only thing it conclusively shows me is that Olynyk cheated by making a bush league, non basketball move to keep Love away from the basketball. Because of the danger involved in that, at minimum he should have gotten a flagrant 2 and been ejected.

 

[mrbeaks]

But he did smash him the face, which is all that really matters. He swung at him. If you looked at the video in the JR Smith thread, its pretty damning.

100% bitch-smacked him. If these were regular season games JR would be missing (and if Crowder hadn't injured his knee on the play), I'd find it kinda satisfying. But this was bush league, and just horrible, horrible timing.

 

[caf]

You swing your arm backwards like that with an idea of where the other guy is then you had better be prepared to live with the consequences if you end up hitting his face.

Same stuff with Olynyk applies to Smith. Whether or not he meant to injure Crowder doesn't matter. He made a non-basketball play with full intention of at least hitting Crowder (if not the head). He should be punished accordingly.

So you're saying he should have only been given a common foul?

Because that's what olynyk got iirc

 

[CHIMOCHIS]

Look at Kelly's left hand in the photo

How can you say it's not intentional

Nfl players are saying that's an intentional play they do o get a player injured in the trenches

@marcelluswiley: I totally agree with @kevinlove that @KellyOlynyk did it on purpose. I played in the trenches, trust me! Look at Kelly's left hand. #dirty

 

[oracio]

The Menace will overcome!

View: https://twitter.com/mcten/status/592442551283646464

 

[Cratylus]

I'm not sure what you're looking at Mir...


First he comes down on his shoulder with the inner-elbow while holding Kevin's arm. This was the first intentional means of injuring Kevin's shoulder.

Then, if you notice the clasping of the inner-arm with the elbow pointed down at a 90 degree angle, the momentary pause to set the grip, then the fast downward jerking motion with his shoulder and the subsequent dislocation.

It was 100% intentional. He took two attempts at it before Kevin Love was yelling for him to get off.

As I mentioned, I don't think Olynyk made a strategic decision to use a wrestling technique, regardless of what it looked like. Even if the result and look are the same.

You actually think, before any rough play that happened afterwards, at 9 minutes into the game, Olynyk was looking for an opportunity to use a wrestling technique to intend to injure and take a Cavs player out of the game?

It was irresponsible, it was a non basketball play, it was bush league, but I just don't see the premeditated intent to injure. What I see is an inferior basketball player cheating to try to prevent his man from getting to the basketball.

Even though the end result is far worse, I don't think the act was on the level of the Bynum elbow to Barea or the Artest elbow to Harden.

But who know, I don't spend time watching wrestling, MMA, UFC, and the like. if I did, maybe I'd be convinced that Olynyk used a combat technique to mindfully not just gain an advantage, but mindfully intend to injure Love.

I'm not saying Olynyk spent the past few days hatching a plan to go out and injure a specific player. What I'm saying is that as soon as he realized he had no shot at the ball, he did not make a basketball play. Instead, he grabbed Love's arm, held it in place, and thrust his weight onto it while he pulled and twisted. This doesn't take premeditation. All it takes is knowledge of how to do it, and the opportunity to do it.

Intentionality does not equal premeditation.

 

[caf]

Watched the game and have seen the video and vines countless time in real speed and all manner of slo mos. Thanks though.

The only thing it conclusively shows me is that Olynyk cheated by making a bush league, non basketball move to keep Love away from the basketball. Because of the danger involved in that, at minimum he should have gotten a flagrant 2 and been ejected.

If he was given a flagrant 2, I doubt the JR retaliation happens. Maybe the Perk retaliation occurs, but I feel the JR retaliation was because Olynyk only got a common foul. What kind of bullshit is that?

 

[Rich]

So you're saying he should have only been given a common foul?

Because that's what olynyk got iirc

No I'm saying the opposite. Olynyk should have been ejected as well.