Kyrie out 4 weeks with hairline fracture of left index finger

[Snarly]

Well I am glad this came now... So while we know already we are going now where. We get to see Waiters As the main Offense vocal point. To be honest this can only help the growth of Waiters as he becomes the guy now. Also Better safe than sorry with Kyrie. So show us something Waiters... this Is your shot!

 

[RikSmits]

Re: Kyrie out 4 weeks with contused left index finger

Hmmmm The Bullshit Whisperer. There is a HUGE difference in those 2 situations, but I can't quite put my finger on it.......

Why, is your finger broken as well? :chuckles:

I sincerely hope that Grant goes out and signs a competent PG. We will be bad in any event, but at least a solid PG should help in the development of the other young players. Just handing the reins to Waiters will spell disaster IMO, and I'm talking from a developmental POV, not from a winning POV.

 

[Frank Reynolds]

Re: Kyrie out 4 weeks with contused left index finger

Why, is your finger broken as well? :chuckles:

I sincerely hope that Grant goes out and signs a competent PG. We will be bad in any event, but at least a solid PG should help in the development of the other young players. Just handing the reins to Waiters will spell disaster IMO, and I'm talking from a developmental POV, not from a winning POV.

Could be true Rik, definitely could be true. Waiter's propensity to take bad shots just got jet-fuel thrown on top. Hopefully Waiter's figures out how to finish around the basket in the time that Kyrie is out. Scott better check young fella to make sure he doesn't end up as CJ Miles 2.0 seven years from now.

 

[MirORich]

Re: Kyrie out 4 weeks with contused left index finger

Do you realize what you're even saying?

It all looks nice in retrospect. Do you think for one second when they started out the 2nd year 3-29 that any of the fans of that team or anyone around the NBA thought the very next year, the 3rd year, that team would win 50 games and make the playoffs?

Furthermore, your Michael Jordan example makes ZERO sense. Did OKC have to draft Michael Jordan in his prime to make that same jump that must have looked so improbable in year 2?

And in the 3rd year they won 50 games.

In the 4th year they were in the WCF.

I hope I am wrong, but I see no scenario in which this team wins 50 next year, or is a title contender the year after that.

To stick with the "that's how OKC did it" model we would have to make that kind of jump that quickly from where we are now.

We must be drafting Michael Fucking Jordan in his prime this year for us to take the 25-30 game jump in wins year 3 that the OKC model saw, because even healthy this team this year is bad.

 

[GQinCtown]

Re: Kyrie out 4 weeks with contused left index finger

I don't think anyone's "happy" with the Cavs being 2-8...

Of course not, we're only tied for third in the league in lottery position, we need to get our heads in the game.

 

[Birdy89]

Did OKC have to draft Michael Jordan in his prime to make that same jump that must have looked so improbable in year 2?

They had their Michael Jordan already, and we're just waiting for him to put it together.

By year 2 it was clear Durant would be the type of talent that could have a Lebron type effect on a game because of his size and athleticism.

We don't have that currently on this roster. They did.

It was not unlike what happened with Lebron here. We all saw early what he would ultimately become and the impact he could have on a game. It was always only a matter of time.

We have a star and some good young pieces, but we don't have a generational type talent like Durant is that we are just waiting on to put the pieces together to make the big jump like OKC did.

 

[The Process God]

They had their Michael Jordan already, and we're just waiting for him to put it together.

By year 2 it was clear Durant would be the type of talent that could have a Lebron type effect on a game because of his size and athleticism.

We don't have that currently on this roster. They did.

It was not unlike what happened with Lebron here. We all saw early what he would ultimately become and the impact he could have on a game. It was always only a matter of time.

We have a star and some good young pieces, but we don't have a generational type talent like Durant is that we are just waiting on to put the pieces together to make the big jump like OKC did.

Not to be pedantic, but Durant does not get by on his size and athleticism. It's his size and skills. Durant is actually not really athletic in almost any measure except maybe lateral movement, but even then he gets by on his length when defending laterally (and vertically, for that matter). He's not particularly explosive, has a horrible vertical, and horrible strength. He couldn't even bench 185 once on draft night. I think he had, what, a 33-inch vertical when tested? Durant's size certainly helps, but his athleticism does him no favors. He's more of a more versatile Dirk type (although not as good of a shooter yet), who isn't particularly athletic, than a LeBron type. What separates LeBron from Durant are his athleticism, defense, and court vision. LeBron isn't as long as Durant (although he's still long), but his strength probably almost literally doubles Durant's strength, and all other aspects of his athleticism are vastly superior to Durant's. Add in LeBron's fantastic defense and passing ability, and you have a better player. Durant's got LeBron on shooting, but he's seemingly even coming into his own on that as well.

Anymeow, here's an nba.com article on the matter of Kyrie's injury:

Cavaliers' Irving out month with broken finger


Posted Nov 19, 2012 9:12 PM

CLEVELAND (AP) -- When the Cavaliers opened training camp, star point guard Kryrie Irving insisted he wasn't worried about being injury prone.

Well, he's hurt again.

Irving will miss at least one month with a broken left index finger, an injury the Cavs initially diagnosed as a bruise before tests revealed a fracture. The NBA's reigning rookie of the year got hurt in the third quarter Saturday night against Dallas. X-rays were negative and he returned to the game with his finger wrapped.

He played Sunday at Philadelphia, but scored a season-low nine points on 4-of-14 shooting as Cleveland dropped its sixth straight game. On Monday, he underwent an MRI and other tests which showed a hairline/non-displaced fracture. The Cavs said Irving's finger will be taped and placed in a splint. He will be re-evaluated in two weeks.

It's the latest injury for the talented 20-year-old, who broke his right hand during a summer practice when he slammed it in frustration against a padded wall when the team was in Las Vegas. Irving played in just 11 games as a freshman at Duke because of a foot tendon injury, which took more than one year to heal completely.

Last season, Irving missed 15 games with a concussion and shoulder injury.

As the Cavs opened camp in October, Irving was asked about a label of being fragile.

"I'm not worried about being injury prone," he said. "Not at all."

Irving added five pounds of muscle during the offseason so he would be able to handle any contact on drives to the basket. But he wound up losing the weight after he had four wisdom teeth pulled. (That's news to me!)

Irving's injury isn't the only one impacting the Cavs.

Second-year forward Tristan Thompson sustained a nasal fracture in Sunday's loss to the Sixers. He will be fitted with a protective mask and is projected to be available for Wednesday's home game against Philadelphia.

Also, guard Daniel Gibson has a bruised right elbow.

The Cavs just got back rookie center Tyler Zeller from a concussion and broken cheekbone. Zeller was elbowed in the face during a recent game in Los Angeles and is playing with a protective mask. He scored six points against the Sixers.

With Irving out, coach Byron Scott, who gave his road-weary team the day off Monday, will have to juggle his starting lineup and rotation. He could move rookie Dion Waiters from shooting guard to the point.

Scott has been disappointed with his team's defense so far this season, but without Irving to run the offense for a while, he's got much bigger concerns.

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/11/19/kyrie-irving-finger-injury.ap/index.html

The article certainly doesn't leave anything out. Someone did their research. I didn't know that Kyrie had lost all weight he had gained over the off-season. It seems that the breaking of his hand and the wisdom teeth pulling really stopped him from gaining any traction in improving his body in terms of size/strength/endurance.

 

[CleveRocks]

i amazed by the chicken little panic running through this thread. Seriously, we are 2 and 8, our franchise star gets hurt and the FO decided to let him heal fully before playing another game, and somehow this is a disaster confirming the Cleveland Curse.

We are not a good team at the moment. Dion is going through a typical Rookie up and down, our underweight bigs are getting smacked around in the paint, and we are playing the worst defense in the league. So for the next four weeks we are going to suck even more. Guys on the bench are going to get some PT and some of it is going to be terrible basketball. But all of it will be an evalulation of who steps up, and who goes away.

Its Okay to start the Noels or Shabazz threads. I get it. This is a fan board and we need something positive to talk about. Fine, but unless you are willing to talk about what we can get in a trade for Kyrie, there is really no point in hand wringing about his injury proneness. If your into the online drama, go to cavs.com...

 

[MirORich]

Firstly, Michael is generational. He has a common first name, yet we stille refer to him by it because of his greatness. Durant needs to win a championship or two before he is a Michael Jordan talent. Jordan was about far more than talent. He was about the will to win championships.

That said, back to our discussion:

Sorry, but by year two Durants talent was apparent but his talent was leading them to a 3-29 start. There were questions about the following: His strength, leadership, ability in the clutch, true position.

We know what he has become now, but in year two, while the talent was undeniable, the impact his talent could have was still in question.

Are you suggesting you think Kyrie and his impact are already maxed out as far as the way he can impact this team winning in his 3rd, 4th, 5th years?

We still have Waiters and Zellers development to factor in.

We still have our 2013 lottery pick to factor in. In the 2nd draft after Durants rookie year, they got Harden. We will be in a position in the second draft after Kyries, to get a prospect of Harden level or higher.

They had their Michael Jordan already, and we're just waiting for him to put it together.

By year 2 it was clear Durant would be the type of talent that could have a Lebron type effect on a game because of his size and athleticism.

We don't have that currently on this roster. They did.

It was not unlike what happened with Lebron here. We all saw early what he would ultimately become and the impact he could have on a game. It was always only a matter of time.

We have a star and some good young pieces, but we don't have a generational type talent like Durant is that we are just waiting on to put the pieces together to make the big jump like OKC did.

 

[PIP]

Happens to the best of us... Lost all my mass too when my wisdom teeth got pulled...

 

[cavsfanclanman]

Oh man, does this mean we are going to break our losing streak?

 

[drewvr91]

With Kyrie going down and this season going full throttle into the ground it's time for the Cav's to get on the phones and find us a respectable package for Andy. I love Andy and was on the side of don't trade him, but as this season has unfolded its obvious that with Kyrie down (playoffs nothing but a daydream now) we need to move Andy while he is still producing at an all-star level. I know Andy is a very loved member of the team but just the thought of if we missed out on a piece (you know you'll be kicking yourself in the ass.) I just tend to think that we aren't the Spurs and keeping a team together for us really makes no sense. If we trade him I'll be happy and if we don't trade him i'll be happy (love Andy will always wish the best for him, cause you don't see many players embrace a small market team like he has.)

 

[Akron330]

This sucks

Fuck the lottery talk. I understand that a tank is probably what's best for this team but I'm sick and tired of watching my team get abused night in and night out.

 

[Stark]

I don't think I can handle another 20+ losing streak.

Hopefully Dion can step up. Also, this is why I kept harping on bringing in a damn good backup point guard. Now we have Pargo/Sloan running the show for a month.

 

[moohead]

Re: Kyrie out 4 weeks with contused left index finger

Originally Posted by Rich
So, let's be honest here, hurt last season, hurt in the summer league, hurt again this season. That doesn't look good.

He's injury prone. That should be "insider" content that people should have to pay for. A wickedly deep analysis born from hours of deep thought. Thank you.