The Brian Hoyer thread...

[Shakalu M.D.]

All the Hoyer supporters going to completely overlook the fact that he tossed the ball 5 yards over a wide open Hawkins at the goal line?

The guy has played fine, deserves to continue starting, and makes smart decisions with the football, but just because someone isn't gobbling his knob doesn't make them any less of a fan.

Haden's play concerns me way more than Hoyer's (Things I never thought I'd say for $1000, Alex).

Look at the overall performance not a single damn throw. Peyton just threw for 4 TDs, doesn't matter though because he had some picks in there too. Hoyer has been phenomenal for this team.

 

[EdMonix11]

This thread is interesting.

The pro-Hoyer crowd is making him out to be THE reason for the Browns success and top-10 QB in the NFL.

The rest are basically saying he's a product of the system and he's still missing easy throws.

It's funny because both sides of the debate are kinda right-- Hoyer is playing better than any QB we've had since DA's Pro Bowl year. He's 2-2 this year, 4-2 overall as a Brown and has already led the team to two game winning drives this year. He's getting the ball out quickly, not forcing passes into tight spaces and seeing the entire field. His Total QBR is 8th in the NFL despite having an unheralded group of receivers with Cameron banged up and Gordon suspended.

Despite playing well, he's not a Top-8 QB, PFF has him probably more accurately rated at 19th. He's been efficient and getting the ball out quick but he has missed some easy throws, 2-3 a game, that a starting QB should easily make-- that doesn't mean he needs to be perfect but he has sailed a few. Shanahan's system is doing a very good job getting these vastly underrated receivers into space, allowing Hoyer to throw the ball all over the yard because the run support is keeping defenders in the box. We do have the best offensive line in the NFL and that's probably the biggest reason for our offensive success.

I see both sides, I really do. I like Hoyer, he's clearly the best option for the Browns at this point and having rare (for the Browns) success. Is he the sole reason for the Browns offensive success as some suggest? Hell no. Can we possibly upgrade in the future from this current-day version of Hoyer? Yeah, probably.

 

[Jack Brickman]

If one side thinks Hoyer is the reason for our success and the other thinks he's a product of the system we're running, maybe it's somewhere in the middle? Our offensive system is obviously pretty good, but you still need a QB who can make smart throws and avoid turning the ball over to make it look that way.

I mean, does anyone think Weeden would succeed in this system? Or any system, really?

 

[AZ_]

If one side thinks Hoyer is the reason for our success and the other thinks he's a product of the system we're running, maybe it's somewhere in the middle? Our offensive system is obviously pretty good, but you still need a QB who can make smart throws and avoid turning the ball over to make it look that way.

I mean, does anyone think Weeden would succeed in this system? Or any system, really?

Nutrisystem

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

I think the best thing I can say about Hoyer is that he doesn't make me nervous. In just a few starts, he's really protected the ball well and he has been very good at the game sealing drive. Hell, in the last year, he's had 3 game winning drives already, and against the Bengals last year, he drove the team down the field to kill that game.

He's efficient and plays up to the moment. He's not a franchise guy, and I wouldn't get rid of Manziel or pass up a franchise guy just because we have him. But he's a starter in the NFL, and that's a huge improvement for the Browns. I'd feel comfortable with him leading the team until we find an elite guy.

 

[Binkster]

All the Hoyer supporters going to completely overlook the fact that he tossed the ball 5 yards over a wide open Hawkins at the goal line?

5'7.

Hawkins was the second shortest receiver in the NFL in 2013, FYI.

 

[AZ_]

5'7.

Hawkins was the second shortest receiver in the NFL in 2013, FYI.

Throwing it high probably wasn't the best idea then, was it?

 

[Jack Brickman]

Throwing it high probably wasn't the best idea then, was it?

Maybe he didn't have a good look and was just throwing it away? I was watching Red Zone (don't get a lot of nationally televised Browns games in Charlotte) so I didn't see it.

 

[Binkster]

Throwing it high probably wasn't the best idea then, was it?

What's easier? Throwing to a 6'3 Goliath with an 82" wing span and a 36 inch vertical or a 5'7 whirling dervish? You're better than that.

The margin for error is already small trying to fit the ball between defenders and within the endzone's barriers. Make the target the size of a peanut, it just got 10 times harder.

31 other quarterbacks don't face the challenge of throwing to a 5'7 target so we don't have much data to compare it against, do we?

 

[AZ_]

Maybe he didn't have a good look and was just throwing it away? I was watching Red Zone (don't get a lot of nationally televised Browns games in Charlotte) so I didn't see it.

Nah, it was just a bad throw.

It happens. Nice that we've got people out here talking about wing span and what not, but it was just a shitty throw.

Made the next one, all is forgiven.

 

[Binkster]

Nah, it was just a bad throw.

It happens. Nice that we've got people out here talking about wing span and what not, but it was just a shitty throw.

Made the next one, all is forgiven.

Saved yourself at the end...

And shitty throw? Sure. But at least acknowledge that the degree of difficulty goes up when the receiver's size goes down.

 

[jlj3184]

This thread is interesting.

The pro-Hoyer crowd is making him out to be THE reason for the Browns success and top-10 QB in the NFL.

The rest are basically saying he's a product of the system and he's still missing easy throws.

It's funny because both sides of the debate are kinda right-- Hoyer is playing better than any QB we've had since DA's Pro Bowl year. He's 2-2 this year, 4-2 overall as a Brown and has already led the team to two game winning drives this year. He's getting the ball out quickly, not forcing passes into tight spaces and seeing the entire field. His Total QBR is 8th in the NFL despite having an unheralded group of receivers with Cameron banged up and Gordon suspended.

Despite playing well, he's not a Top-8 QB, PFF has him probably more accurately rated at 19th. He's been efficient and getting the ball out quick but he has missed some easy throws, 2-3 a game, that a starting QB should easily make-- that doesn't mean he needs to be perfect but he has sailed a few. Shanahan's system is doing a very good job getting these vastly underrated receivers into space, allowing Hoyer to throw the ball all over the yard because the run support is keeping defenders in the box. We do have the best offensive line in the NFL and that's probably the biggest reason for our offensive success.

I see both sides, I really do. I like Hoyer, he's clearly the best option for the Browns at this point and having rare (for the Browns) success. Is he the sole reason for the Browns offensive success as some suggest? Hell no. Can we possibly upgrade in the future from this current-day version of Hoyer? Yeah, probably.

Great post. I see it as most people on the "pro-Hoyer" side as overlooking the negaties (which is their perogative) while simultaneously framing the "anti-Hoyer" crowd as unable to recognize the good things he's done this year. I don't see anyone saying he should be benched or hasn't played well. We aren't competitive in spite of or because of him, as I can tell. He hasn't lost us any games, but I don't think he's won us any, either. I don't think there's a single person in this thread who would say his play hasn't exceeded their expectations headed into the season.

 

[Marcus]

b00bie is Brandon Weeden, simply because I enjoy irony.

 

[FiveThous]

Great post. I see it as most people on the "pro-Hoyer" side as overlooking the negaties (which is their perogative) while simultaneously framing the "anti-Hoyer" crowd as unable to recognize the good things he's done this year. I don't see anyone saying he should be benched or hasn't played well. We aren't competitive in spite of or because of him, as I can tell. He hasn't lost us any games, but I don't think he's won us any, either. I don't think there's a single person in this thread who would say his play hasn't exceeded their expectations headed into the season.

Hoyer gives us the best chance to win now, JFF needs to learn and we can still upgrade from Hoyer.

What camp does that put me in? I desperately want/need to fit in.

 

[AZ_]

JFF isn't even in the equation right now, he's shown NOTHING that would even remotely lead people to believe he can run an NFL offense at an effective level.

Pettine and his staff have to think this speculation about his eventual taking over the offense is such a joke at this point.


Myself and plenty others said it before the season, the best thing for that kid's career is Brian Hoyer playing well. That's exactly what's happening and he's got a chance to mature and continue acclimating to the NFL environment. It's the only chance he has to have a productive career, IMO.