The Brian Hoyer thread...

[macbdog]

I was on board with Mingo, certainly.

While I was on board with Gilbert, I'm not nearly stupid enough to form an opinion of Gilbert after five games.

What, really? He looks just like another huge bust did after his first 5 games, Alex Mack.

 

[The Oi]

I thought the Browns 8 sacks so far sucked pretty bad.

Then I noticed that St Louis has one, ONE sack on the year so far.

 

[macbdog]

I thought the Browns 8 sacks so far sucked pretty bad.

Then I noticed that St Louis has one, ONE sack on the year so far.

Guarantee you they would have more than one if they had kept Michael Sam.

 

[Soda]

Is Hoyer a "contributor" to this? Because clearly, it can't be his doing. He's just a beneficiary of a great offensive scheme, a great offensive line and above average receivers working themselves to be "wide open". What I will say is the backs are doing a good job holding onto the ball. Tate looked real good against that poor defense yesterday, so I'm aware that helped. None of this happens with a limp-wrister taking snaps.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Is Hoyer a "contributor" to this? Because clearly, it can't be his doing. He's just a beneficiary of a great offensive scheme, a great offensive line and above average receivers working themselves to be "wide open". What I will say is the backs are doing a good job holding onto the ball. Tate looked real good against that poor defense yesterday, so I'm aware that helped. None of this happens with a limp-wrister taking snaps.

Hasn't Hoyer been dubbed a pretty good game manager right from the start? That sounds like what game managers do...manage the game, make smart passes, avoid stupid turnovers.

 

[Soda]

Hasn't Hoyer been dubbed a pretty good game manager right from the start? That sounds like what game managers do...manage the game, make smart passes, avoid stupid turnovers.

Scoring 25 points in 2 quarters with this receiving corp is not managing a game. It's winning one.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Hoyer has shown dramatic improvement since he entered the league. According to that article by Fleming, he is also very popular with his peers and works hard to find new ways to attack the opponent.

B00bie is doing his same old schtick, dancing around the facts and scurrying out of bounds for no gain when he is proven wrong.

He's the Manziel.

 

[Binkster]

I really only watch the pro game and then some clips pre-draft, so I couldn't tell you. All I know is he hasn't looked good so far and is now benched for an UDFA. I am a bit scarred from the last 4 years of 1st rounders, so prob unfairly negative towards him. You would think he could see the field though. And Mingo? Barely even notice him, expect for wondering who the skinny guy on defense is.

Show me a rookie corner and I will show you how every. single. one. struggled for at least a portion of their rookie seasons (if not the entire year):

Patrick Peterson - If it weren't for his electrifying punt returns, his rookie season would largely have been an immense failure. His PFF ratings placed him dead last among corners and he was also penalized 10 times.

Mo Claiborne - Prior to his season-ending injury, he's provided little-to-nothing for the Dallas secondary. His struggled continued into this (his third) year.

Joe Haden - Unable to grab a starting job until week 11 over Mr. Elite - Eric Wright. We all know how this one turned out (at least until this season... Oy).

Rarely, if ever, do rookie CBs come in and make their presence felt. The position is widely considered to be the most difficult transition next to QB.

Mods - feel free to move this out of the Hoyer thread.

 

[AZ_]

Is Hoyer a "contributor" to this? Because clearly, it can't be his doing. He's just a beneficiary of a great offensive scheme, a great offensive line and above average receivers working themselves to be "wide open". What I will say is the backs are doing a good job holding onto the ball. Tate looked real good against that poor defense yesterday, so I'm aware that helped. None of this happens with a limp-wrister taking snaps.

He's been hit just 13 times through four games, defenses have gotten credit for a hurry on just 23 of 140 dropbacks this season.

I'd say...yeah...the offensive line and scheme would play a role in those fantastic numbers.


Under pressure this season, Hoyer is 11-for-31 for 128 yards, 1 TD and an INT.

Scoring 25 points in 2 quarters with this receiving corp is not managing a game. It's winning one.

So, we're adamant that the receivers deserve NO credit for what's happening. Correct?

 

[Soda]

He's been hit just 13 times through four games, defenses have gotten credit for a hurry on just 23 of 140 dropbacks this season.

I'd say...yeah...the offensive line and scheme would play a role in those fantastic numbers.


Under pressure this season, Hoyer is 11-for-31 for 128 yards, 1 TD and an INT.

As expected. Re-framed for the less flashy audience.

 

[AZ_]

As expected. Re-framed for the less flashy audience.

Adding context...whatever you'd like to call it I guess.

 

[Randolphkeys]

The only financial or draft investment of any significance has been the offensive line and running back positions, so a low sack total was always my expectation. They are also assisted by the fact few teams have had a bye week already, but I still think minimizing sacks is a key to good offenses that is vastly underrated.

Teams that run a more traditional pro style offense like Washington, Seattle, Baltimore, or San Francisco should minimize turnovers and sacks because it's a product of the run setting up the pass. Teams running a pass first scheme or a pistol based scheme tend to have more sacks and turnovers... but they have less time of possession and higher scores at the end of the year.

The more hits on a QB, the more chance you have for injury. Locker's injury might have been a bit of a freak play, but it was very similar to the hit that took Hoyer out against Buffalo: A rookie linebacker trying to make a name for himself gets over zealous when a quarterback is out of the pocket and about to slide right at the goal line/first down sticks. I doubt the Titans fans are ready to talk about it, but this is the risk a QB takes when scrambling.

 

[ZooCrewDude]

I love that Hoyer takes care of the football. We haven't seen much of that since the Browns have returned. So just for fun I wanted to see what the Browns TD/INT ratio looked like relative to the league average over the years and compared to the eventual Super Bowl winner.

The results weren't terribly surprising. When trended, the Browns have been consistently below league average during that time frame (with an average ratio of 1.0). The league average (1.3) sits comfortably between the SB winner (1.8) and the Browns.

The data also shows a consistent trend that we're all aware of: the league is becoming more passer friendly. I might take a look at pass interference and defensive secondary related penalties during this time frame just to see what that data would return.

Nothing earth shattering here; one could pretty simply assume that all measures of taking care of the ball can be directly correlated to a high level of success. This just highlights one that we've been particularly poor at that Hoyer offers some relief from.

 

[jlj3184]

All the Hoyer supporters going to completely overlook the fact that he tossed the ball 5 yards over a wide open Hawkins at the goal line?

The guy has played fine, deserves to continue starting, and makes smart decisions with the football, but just because someone isn't gobbling his knob doesn't make them any less of a fan.

Haden's play concerns me way more than Hoyer's (Things I never thought I'd say for $1000, Alex).

 

[TheNewEra]

All the Hoyer supporters going to completely overlook the fact that he tossed the ball 5 yards over a wide open Hawkins at the goal line?

The guy has played fine, deserves to continue starting, and makes smart decisions with the football, but just because someone isn't gobbling his knob doesn't make them any less of a fan.

Haden's play concerns me way more than Hoyer's (Things I never thought I'd say for $1000, Alex).

Watch any QB and you'll see Peyton throwing behind players and over throwing players too, no QB is perfect. Also pretty hard throwing to a WR that is shorter than pretty much every person on this board.