The Brian Hoyer thread...

[godfather]

What is b00bie's opinion on Hoyer? I've not been around for awhile, so I've missed it. I always thought he liked Hoyer.

I do agree to what he means, we can't lose perspective. I don't seriously think he's the long-term answer necessarily, but I tell ya, look around the NFL. Name the QB's you're just dying to have outside of the top four: Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and Brees.

I'd say the two guys I'd love to have, without a doubt are Luck and Rivers. Guys like Big Ben, and Eli (at times) resemble very good, to borderline great QB's. Okay, a lot are high on Wilson, personally, I think he's just a really good game manager. But let him enter that category. I think these guys are the tier 2 level of QB's in the NFL. Hoyer clearly isn't in that class with them.

After that list, you enter the tier 3 level. The Jay Cutler, Romo (talented as hell, but always comes up small), Kaepernick, Flacco, Matt Ryan, and Andy Dalton room. Now, I'm not saying Hoyer is better than all these guys, but take a look at all these QB's. Some are considered franchise ones even, but all are considered good, middle of the pack starting QB's in this league.

Are these guys in your opinion CLEAR, without a doubt, easy upgrades over Hoyer? I don't think they are. I think Hoyer easily can fit into that category. Point is, it's hard finding really, good, to sometimes just serviceable QB's in this league.

I think Hoyer's ceiling is the tier 3 list. He's not done enough yet to put him there yet. But as you can see, I think you're good enough to at least win a SB with that kind of QB. Flacco has a ring, Kaepernick has been to a SB.

So sticking with Hoyer isn't a bad thing at all. Not everyone can have a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.

 

[AZ_]

What is b00bie's opinion on Hoyer? I've not been around for awhile, so I've missed it. I always thought he liked Hoyer.

I do agree to what he means, we can't lose perspective. I don't seriously think he's the long-term answer necessarily, but I tell ya, look around the NFL. Name the QB's you're just dying to have outside of the top four: Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and Brees.

I'd say the two guys I'd love to have, without a doubt are Luck and Rivers. Guys like Big Ben, and Eli (at times) resemble very good, to borderline great QB's. Okay, a lot are high on Wilson, personally, I think he's just a really good game manager. But let him enter that category. I think these guys are the tier 2 level of QB's in the NFL. Hoyer clearly isn't that class with them.

After that list, you enter the tier 3. The Jay Cutler, Romo (talented as hell, but always comes up small), Kaepernick, Flacco, Matt Ryan, and Andy Dalton room. Now, I'm not saying Hoyer is better than all these guys, but take a look at all these QB's. Some are considered franchise ones even, but all are considered good, middle of the pack starting QB's in this league.

Are these guys in your opinion CLEAR, without a doubt, easy upgrades over Hoyer? I don't think they are. I think Hoyer easily can fit into that category. Point is, it's hard finding really, good, to sometimes just serviceable QB's in this league.

I think Hoyer's ceiling is the tier 3 list. He's not done enough yet to put him there yet. But as you can see, I think you're good enough to at least win a SB with that kind of QB. Flacco has a ring, Kaepernick has been to a SB.

I've simply maintained all along that Hoyer is gonna be Hoyer.

He's limited physically, but he's incredibly smart and has a quick release which makes him a good fit for this offense.

What he ISN'T, however, is a top level QB who will put a team on his back and carry them in the same way elite quarterbacks can.


That is apparently enough to be dubbed a noted parade-rainer.

 

[Phills14]

It seems like you made an opinion on Hoyer after only a few starts... but you wouldn't be nearly stupid enough to do something like that, would you?

Edit: and JFF after 0 games. Amirite?

It's perfectly reasonable to form opinions on players based on past experience in the NFL & College or lack there of. Based on what we know about the NFL, Hoyer's progression to where he is now is very very rare so having a negative opinion coming into the season and a skeptical opinion of him now is understandable to me. With regards to Gilbert, he has ideal physical measurables and had an outstanding college career. The fact that he is struggling is concerning but not unheard of as CBs typically take a while to adjust to the pro game. Therefore, having a wait and see opinion on the guy is acceptable. Finally in terms of Manziel, I don't need to rehash everything that's been talked about but Manziel was not a favorite of many on this board as a prospect. He has shown nothing on the pro level that would change any of his detractors minds.

 

[godfather]

I've simply maintained all along that Hoyer is gonna be Hoyer.

He's limited physically, but he's incredibly smart and has a quick release which makes him a good fit for this offense.

What he ISN'T, however, is a top level QB who will put a team on his back and carry them in the same way elite quarterbacks can.


That is apparently enough to be dubbed a noted parade-rainer.

I forgot to mention Alex Smith by the way as a tier 3 QB. That's a guy Hoyer reminds me the most of. I do think Hoyer can be a tier 3 QB, which is good enough to win with. Maybe he is already, but he needs to show us more and prove he can be this way consistently.

He's definitely playing like one of the top tier QB's in the NFL right now, but I've seen too much fools gold with QB's in the NFL, too.

I'll take any decent QB we can get though. God knows, we've sat through so much shit throughout the years.

 

[Soda]

^He did put his team on his back and carried them yesterday..

Sometimes while keeping perspective straight, one can commend a performance. Rather than just toss it in the bowl of "outliers" that don't suit your opinion. Hoyer is getting close to a point where I can say he's in the top half, but he hasn't been top-10.

 

[AZ_]

^He did put his team on his back and carried them yesterday..

Sometimes while keeping perspective straight, one can commend a performance. Rather than just toss it in the bowl of "outliers" that don't suit your opinion. Hoyer is getting close to a point where I can say he's in the top half, but he hasn't been top-10.

I have, and will continue to do so. Yesterday was awesome, but he absolutely did not do it alone.

Tate was gaining chunk yardage, the defense allowed ZERO second half points, Taylor Gabriel made some unbelievable plays.

 

[godfather]

^He did put his team on his back and carried them yesterday..

Sometimes while keeping perspective straight, one can commend a performance. Rather than just toss it in the bowl of "outliers" that don't suit your opinion. Hoyer is getting close to a point where I can say he's in the top half, but he hasn't been top-10.

Let's all agree, tier 3 level QB. Which is considered a good NFL starting QB. No one is seriously putting him in the elite class, I hope not anyways...

I like Hoyer a lot though, he's definitely the smartest QB we've had in a long time. You imagine if he had Johnny's physical tools, how great he'd be?

This team really responds well to Hoyer, they respect him, he's very tough. I tell ya, I'm a fan, and I was ripping him apart before the season stared.

What he did yesterday was impressive. It was a total team effort obviously, I mean, how freaking hard is it to stop a shitty QB like Whitehurst. But Hoyer was the main reason we won the game. He set the tone, and changed it for the entire team. That's what a leader does.

 

[Cavsfan1985]

Do I think he will ever be an elite QB, no, do I think he can be a very good NFL QB, yes. We are running the ball very well this year, with little to no threat of a WR game. Watching the games, teams cannot only sell out on the run with this team, which is saying something about Hoyer. We are a run first team, we need a QB who does not throw ints, and will hit the open guys. I think Hoyer can work with this team, especially if the defense can play like they did in the second half. Give this team back Josh Gordon before we are willing to throw out Hoyer.

I will say this, teams will start to make adjustments on him though in the next few weeks as game film becomes more available. This will be the test of how good he is. If he is able to keep this level up or even improve, I think you can slot him in the top 15 QB discussion.

 

[Binkster]

Let's put this tier system to the RCF test...

So, for example, b00bie is a tier 3 poster - a thread manager, so to speak. Plays it safe, rarely leaves his comfort zone, but can't win a thread by himself.

Jigo, for all intents and purposes, is at that next level tier 2 - on the cusp of greatness, but will probably never achieve it. Provides elite comedic relief, but falls short everywhere else.

Tier 1 - The few and the proud. I don't think I stand alone in this category, but it's a scarcely populated group. People like us can carry a thread on our backs.

Am I missing anything?

 

[The Oi]

If I was ever going to achieve greatness, I'd have had to have done it 28,000 posts ago.

 

[Frank Stallone]

Let's put this tier system to the RCF test...

So, for example, b00bie is a tier 3 poster - a thread manager, so to speak. Plays it safe, rarely leaves his comfort zone, but can't win a thread by himself.

Jigo, for all intents and purposes, is at that next level tier 2 - on the cusp of greatness, but will probably never achieve it. Provides elite comedic relief, but falls short everywhere else.

Tier 1 - The few and the proud. I don't think I stand alone in this category, but it's a scarcely populated group. People like us can carry a thread on our backs.

Am I missing anything?

I think the ironic thing is, is that b00bie is the Hoyer of this board. Jigo is 100% Johnny Football.

 

[AZ_]

Ironically, I was previously released by three different message boards prior to this one.

 

[godfather]

Ironically, I was previously released by three different message boards prior to this one.

So you are Brian Hoyer.

 

[Mr. Orange]

My opinion of Manziel is based on what I know from college and how I think it translates.

What specifically about Justin Gilbert's college tape do you think will prevent him from being a solid NFL cornerback?

I really only watch the pro game and then some clips pre-draft, so I couldn't tell you. All I know is he hasn't looked good so far and is now benched for an UDFA. I am a bit scarred from the last 4 years of 1st rounders, so prob unfairly negative towards him. You would think he could see the field though. And Mingo? Barely even notice him, expect for wondering who the skinny guy on defense is.

 

[Soda]

I'm not sure I can recall Mingo ever having a solo tackle that didn't involve him pulling the guy down for 5 seconds... He can get to guys, he just isn't great at tackling, which is embarrassing.