The ISIS offensive in Iraq

[Frank Reynolds]

Nuke the whole middle-east. This is insanity. How deplorable. Especially lighting the teacher on fire in front of the students.

I don't expect any U.S. response other than a verbal one. These terrorist guys aren't sophisticated; they're just insanely brainwashed, and will do whatever to whomever.

We've got the most powerful army/navy/air force and intelligence gathering in the world. How the fuck do these guerrilla scumbags continue to thrive and execute this type of shit?

It took ONE bullet to take out Bin-Laden.

I understand collateral damage from bombings, and I definitely don't want our ground troops stationed over there, but that being said how the fuck does this shit keep happening?

Our police brutality problem in America is NOTHING compared to what these people in the middle east go through. I'm not trying to say there wasn't loss here, there clearly was; but this is a different type of insanity.

If you want to know the roots of the police brutality problem; go to youtube and type in "Stanford Prison Experiment." It will describe what happens when you give happy go-lucky normal people the power of authority. When they get the badge, they become authoritarian.

These fuckers are another type of monster all together. I hope they all have to watch their wives, daughters, grandmama's get raped and burned with gasoline; just as they are doing to others. Then I hope they are beheaded with a dull steak knife, head placed on their back and photos posted online for the world to see.

 

[Marcus]

Fucking animals. They deserve neither pity nor mercy when their time comes.

People want to bitch and cry about the torture report, lead on by that colossal bleeding heart idiot, Feinstein. I don't know about anyone else, but waterboarding doesn't even begin to compare to slaughtering innocent children and burning people alive.

Just sickening.

 

[kosis]

Nuke the whole middle-east. This is insanity. How deplorable. Especially lighting the teacher on fire in front of the students.

I don't expect any U.S. response other than a verbal one. These terrorist guys aren't sophisticated; they're just insanely brainwashed, and will do whatever to whomever.

We've got the most powerful army/navy/air force and intelligence gathering in the world. How the fuck do these guerrilla scumbags continue to thrive and execute this type of shit?

It took ONE bullet to take out Bin-Laden.

I understand collateral damage from bombings, and I definitely don't want our ground troops stationed over there, but that being said how the fuck does this shit keep happening?

Our police brutality problem in America is NOTHING compared to what these people in the middle east go through. I'm not trying to say there wasn't loss here, there clearly was; but this is a different type of insanity.

If you want to know the roots of the police brutality problem; go to youtube and type in "Stanford Prison Experiment." It will describe what happens when you give happy go-lucky normal people the power of authority. When they get the badge, they become authoritarian.

These fuckers are another type of monster all together. I hope they all have to watch their wives, daughters, grandmama's get raped and burned with gasoline; just as they are doing to others. Then I hope they are beheaded with a dull steak knife, head placed on their back and photos posted online for the world to see.

So if you want to nuke the Middle East, then why are you upset by these monsters killing Middle Eastern children? Let's keep a level head and recognize that these savages are killing Muslims and brown people, so let's not egg on the anti-Arab/Muslim contingent.

Also, let's not act like police brutality is now no longer an issue because worse stuff is out there.

Brutal stuff out of Pakistan. Thoughts and prayers to the families. Hopefully justice follows.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Fucking animals. They deserve neither pity nor mercy when their time comes.

People want to bitch and cry about the torture report, lead on by that colossal bleeding heart idiot, Feinstein. I don't know about anyone else, but waterboarding doesn't even begin to compare to slaughtering innocent children and burning people alive.

Just sickening.

Amen.

Countries adopted the laws of war to prevent needless cruelty that benefitted neither side. So it became "we'll treat your guys okay if you treat ours okay", "we won't use poison gas if you don't", etc.. As long as we all agree to follow those rules, then there's no net advantage/disadvantage to either side.

Unfortunately, those fuckers don't follow those rules. They deliberately target civilians, deliberately hide among the civilian population so as to either immunize themselves, or force us to kill innocents to get to them, etc.. I have absolutely zero moral problem putting the screws to any of those bastards to gain whatever offsetting advantages we can.

I understand that we signed the Convention against Torture (though with reservations), and we can't openly violate it. But I'm fine with concealing the shit we choose to do, and would support a statement saying that we will not follow the requirements of that Convention against parties who violate other significant aspects of the law of war.

 

[The Oi]

So if you want to nuke the Middle East, then why are you upset by these monsters killing Middle Eastern children? Let's keep a level head and recognize that these savages are killing Muslims and brown people, so let's not egg on the anti-Arab/Muslim contingent.

Also, let's not act like police brutality is now no longer an issue because worse stuff is out there.

Brutal stuff out of Pakistan. Thoughts and prayers to the families. Hopefully justice follows.

Bro.

All middle easterners are bad.

 

[Marcus]

Amen.

Countries adopted the laws of war to prevent needless cruelty that benefitted neither side. So it became "we'll treat your guys okay if you treat ours okay", "we won't use poison gas if you don't", etc.. As long as we all agree to follow those rules, then there's no net advantage/disadvantage to either side.

Unfortunately, those fuckers don't follow those rules. They deliberately target civilians, deliberately hide among the civilian population so as to either immunize themselves, or force us to kill innocents to get to them, etc.. I have absolutely zero moral problem putting the screws to any of those bastards to gain whatever offsetting advantages we can.

I understand that we signed the Convention against Torture (though with reservations), and we can't openly violate it. But I'm fine with concealing the shit we choose to do, and would support a statement saying that we will not follow the requirements of that Convention against parties who violate other significant aspects of the law of war.

These people don't care about laws of war. They don't care about the Geneva Conventions. They don't care how many innocent people they have to sacrifice for their twisted end game. They care about sending a message and causing as much destruction and chaos as they possibly can. The more who are caught in the crossfire, the better.

These are the same people that throw acid on school girls, that carry out honor killings on a regular basis, that strap bombs to kids and instruct them to walk up to coalition troops before remote detonating them. They hide among the population and have used torture, violence, and fear to intimidate an entire region of the world for far too long. They hide behind masks like cowards.

They want to put the fear of God into innocent people and the West by committing atrocities like this, while armchair politicians and pundits sit back and say, "What a shame. We strongly condemn these acts with a strongly-worded statement and maybe some sanctions for your host country."

Fuck that. These people behead everyone from aid workers to American soldiers and put the tapes on al-Jazeera. If that's the way they want to do things, just remember that red is positive and black is negative. Hook those assholes up to a battery and go to work.

If Dianne Fucking Feinstein, John McCain, or anyone else has a problem with it, I challenge them to sit down with one of these monsters and try to coddle answers out of them with cookies and milk instead.

 

[Simmy]

Just savage and tragic. On the back of what we've experience here in Australia, this incident is heartbreaking.

 

[Soda]

Blame white folk. This all stems from white greed. And republicans.

Seriously, though, America can't be handling these heinous criminals with humane tactics. I hate that the CIA has to do it's job in secret as to not upset the liberals who sit behind a keyboard in the safety of their home. These folks don't deserve due process. At all.

 

[kosis]

Honest question... what's the difference between being pro-torture and being pro-vigilante justice? Even a guy caught red-handed molesting young children gets a trial and avoids torture. We didn't consider skipping due process for the Chardon shooter or any other animal that deserved a painful death. Just because it's on a larger/international scale doesn't mean we throw these codes out of the window.

Not to mention the fact that you usually get the answer you want through torture, not necessarily the truth, no?

 

[CleveRocks]

Honest question... what's the difference between being pro-torture and being pro-vigilante justice? Even a guy caught red-handed molesting young children gets a trial and avoids torture. We didn't consider skipping due process for the Chardon shooter or any other animal that deserved a painful death. Just because it's on a larger/international scale doesn't mean we throw these codes out of the window.

Not to mention the fact that you usually get the answer you want through torture, not necessarily the truth, no?

Dont know as I never tried it..

The difference between being pro torture and pro vigilante is that in pro vigilante people randomly mete out justice for whatever percieved crime was committed. Lynching people who look different than you is a good example.. There is societal consensus that this is needed, its just some people taking out others. Another word for it is murder..

What you are calling pro-torture, is supporting the idea that our security services can put enemy non combatants in harms way in the battle to protect our citizens from getting killed by the same. This activity was sanctioned by our elected officials under the duress of a successful attack. We would have done the same thing the day after pearl harbor given the opportunity. And you know the enemy in that war would do the same..It is a societal choice, not an individual one.. This is similar to the argument supporting the assasination of Bin Laden in his bedroom, or firing drones at US Citizens who are aiding and abetting the enemy..I happen to agree with both of those practices as well.

We rely on the CIA and the NSA to protect us from foriegn entities who would do us harm. That happens to be quite a list. These guys are not going to do there jobs if we try to put them in jail for doing what we told them to do. The travesty of the torture report is that it puts our guys at risk to be prosecuted by foriegn entities, using information published by the same institutions that gave the orders.. Any one want to sign up for that duty?

These institutions are under attack from inside and outside the country. They have flaws that need fixed, but they are necessary to free country. Lets not forget that in the current debate.

 

[Cratylus]

Max, come on now. The Taliban are just a group of misunderstood, peace-loving, religious people whose seemingly violent actions are nothing more than a predictable response to oppressive US foreign policy.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Honest question... what's the difference between being pro-torture and being pro-vigilante justice? Even a guy caught red-handed molesting young children gets a trial and avoids torture. We didn't consider skipping due process for the Chardon shooter or any other animal that deserved a painful death. Just because it's on a larger/international scale doesn't mean we throw these codes out of the window.

I think there are similarities on a moral level, and I think both can be morally justified under some circumstances.

Not to mention the fact that you usually get the answer you want through torture, not necessarily the truth, no?

You may or may not. But intelligence agencies already have to sift through huge amounts of data anyway, most of it not leading anywhere. But all stuff that they have to check. You know you may be on to something when you start hearing the same thing from multiple sources, though.

That's where the Senate report is dishonest. The claim that "we already had that information" sounds great, but what you may not have known was whether or not the information was credible, or how much effort you should put into investigating it. However, if you've got a nugget from one source, and then some slimebag getting waterboarded coughs up (heh) the same information, you may decide to prioritize following up that particular piece of information.

 

[Sebastian]

Bro.

All middle easterners are bad.

Can't say you're wrong. Did not like Iraqis, Kuwaitis or Afghans.

I got out of the Army recently. I am still seriously considering going back as a contractor just to exterminate these ISIS savages. Having seen the damage they and their ilk can do, I wouldn't feel bad about a year long field trip again.

 

[Sebastian]

ISIS on the defense now:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/7/islamic-state-in-a-defensive-posture-pentagon-says/

 

[gourimoko]

Can't say you're wrong. Did not like Iraqis, Kuwaitis or Afghans.

I got out of the Army recently. I am still seriously considering going back as a contractor just to exterminate these ISIS savages. Having seen the damage they and their ilk can do, I wouldn't feel bad about a year long field trip again.

And you are a racist piece of shit. Jigo was joking, but you're obviously being serious..

Foul.