The mystery deal discussed lol (take your wild guesses)

[Lyuokdea]

How about a deal working around these parameters:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...s=831~1026~990~2772&teams=18~5~30~5&te=&cash=

We'll probably have to send a first to Charlotte, maybe Hickson. I'm not saying this trade is even as stated, but these are the basic pieces.

But this sets us with young, top quality talent for years, after we resign AV and David Lee (why wouldn't we, because then as set, we're a championship team, and we might not care about the extra money)


PG - Williams/West
SG - Wallace/Gibson
SF - Lebron/Wallace/Kinsey
PF - David Lee/Wallace
C- Z/AV

That's a championship team. Wallace+Williams+Lebron, is THE BEST transition group in the league, and once you get to the half court, David Lee is exactly what we need, as a high percentage threat who doesn't need the ball.

~Lyuokdea

 

[camakazee]

How about a deal working around these parameters:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...s=831~1026~990~2772&teams=18~5~30~5&te=&cash=

We'll probably have to send a first to Charlotte, maybe Hickson.

But this sets us with young, top quality talent for years, after we resign AV and David Lee (why wouldn't we, because then as set, we're a championship team, and we might not care about the extra money)

~Lyuokdea

Is that Wilson Chandler's face next to Eddy Curry's name? No way that is Curry's face... far too skinny.

 

[-Akronite-]

How about a deal working around these parameters:

What kind of parameters do you have that allow us to get Lee AND Wallace with only Wally?

 

[Lyuokdea]

I mean, as I said, we'll lose our first in this deal (probably to Charlotte), and maybe Hickson, in order to get this to work out. But at this point, it really depends on what Charlotte wants: either way, let's break down the deals.

New York:

Gets:
Szczerbiak

Loses:
David Lee
Eddy Curry

Losing Lee probably hurts, but he's meant for a half court offense anyway, not the new running D'Antoni offense. This is mostly a cost cutting move. There's no way they can afford not to trade Eddy Curry's 4 year, $40 or so million dollar deal. They save almost $30 million over the next 4 years, and open up the space they need to get players that fit the D'antoni mold. I can't figure out how much they like Lee, so that determines whether they would be willing to give up a pick, or if we need to send them one (I can't think it be more than a 2nd though) to get this to work.


Charlotte:

Get:
Eddy Curry

Lose:
Gerald Wallace

Obviously, as written this isn't fair. We'll definitely be sending them a first. However, the basics of this trade have been confirmed by Marc Stein

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-081108-09

The Knicks continue to seriously covet Golden State's Al Harrington, but Charlotte, offering Wallace, won't work as a third-team facilitator. One source indicated that the Bobcats indeed have some interest in an Eddy Curry-for-Wallace swap, but taking on Wallace would run completely counter to New York's hopes (prayers?) of freeing up the salary-cap space to get into the bidding for LeBron James and the rest of the amazing 2010 free-agent class.

Certainly, Curry fits much better into Charlotte's half court plans. How exactly we balance this deal out is the trick. Does Charlotte value Hickson? He's looked good so far, and might be worth more than the first. We could send both that way, and still not give up much.

This trade was basically meant to match the paragraph above well. It frees up the Knicks salary and gets Charlotte Curry.

Cavs:

Get:
Wallace
David Lee

Lose:
Szczerbiak
1st round pick
Hickson?

This trade makes us a contender, I don't have to argue why it helps.

~Lyuokdea

 

[Walter White]

I really hope its S Jax and Harrington.

 

[The George]

God I love trade checker

its why I get up in the morning

 

[Mdog1]

1. I didn't say I wouldn't do the deal, I just said if it's possible I'd love to keep Andy AND improve the team.

2. We are not overrating him. He saved the game against Indy, and his energy off the bench is a staple on this team. Plus, he can defend and annoy any big man, which is always a plus. Nobody said Andy was the greatest ever, but he's a solid rebounder, brings great energy, always hustles, and overall is a great fit on our team.

Well i'd like to keep him to but if we could get this deal he is gone.

And yes people are over rating him not necessarily you but other fans certainly are. Two good games this year and all of a sudden he is Amare. Someone even started an Andy thread, and just like with DWest Andy wil disapoint at some time. I don't see a LeBron thread even though the last two games against the Bulls he has won it for us.

All I am saying is don't over value him because you like him. Okafor would make us better no doubt and would put Ben Wallace a former defensive player of the year on the bench. Ben with that second unit of DWest, Boobie, Pavs, Ben Wallace. That is a good group of guys on the floor at the same time, even though we would have a starter on with them.

 

[Thunder]

As of now I'm gonna try to stop speculating too much. I realized I don't wanna give up Varejao in any deal I don't care who it brings back, he's too unique and great of a player to give up on. I'd rather lock him up for the next five years. So since W/G's deal included AV, I'll just wait a month or so and watch Wally and hopefully Pavs get traded for someone. Like W/G said, we're gonna have tons of more options so I'm hoping there's some good ones not involving AV.

But I'm hoping and wishing for a trade to occur by next month, I can't take the waiting. February will be too late and cause chemistry issues.

Here's to a great x-mas present! Ferry, pull something off!

 

[-Akronite-]

Well i'd like to keep him to but if we could get this deal he is gone.

And yes people are over rating him not necessarily you but other fans certainly are. Two good games this year and all of a sudden he is Amare. Someone even started an Andy thread, and just like with DWest Andy wil disapoint at some time. I don't see a LeBron thread even though the last two games against the Bulls he has won it for us.

All I am saying is don't over value him because you like him. Okafor would make us better no doubt and would put Ben Wallace a former defensive player of the year on the bench. Ben with that second unit of DWest, Boobie, Pavs, Ben Wallace. That is a good group of guys on the floor at the same time, even though we would have a starter on with them.

I hope you are joking.

When did anyone compare Andy to Amare?

You do realize there have been 700 bajillion threads concerning LeBron including most comments made during the game threads right?

What LeBron does barely surprises us. It's what his supporting cast does that will win us a championship, so when Delonte is playing well, and Andy, after having so many troubles last year, is succeeding, we are giving credit where it's due.

Also, Pavs is not in our second unit, at least not currently. He's been getting no minutes and adding minute eaters like Wallace and Okafor aren't going to change that.

Once again, I didn't say I didn't like the deal, it's a steal of a deal really. But I really like Andy and what he brings, which would give me some remorse over the deal. It's not a deal breaker, it just hurts to think of him out of Cleveland.

You're exaggerating our approval of Andy's play and still trying to convince me that Okafor and Wallace are good players, as if nobody on this ****ing planet doesn't know that already.

 

[Walter White]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2172~831~308~378&teams=9~9~5~5&te=&cash=

 

[Mdog1]

I hope you are joking.

When did anyone compare Andy to Amare?

You do realize there have been 700 bajillion threads concerning LeBron including most comments made during the game threads right?

What LeBron does barely surprises us. It's what his supporting cast does that will win us a championship, so when Delonte is playing well, and Andy, after having so many troubles last year, is succeeding, we are giving credit where it's due.

Also, Pavs is not in our second unit, at least not currently. He's been getting no minutes and adding minute eaters like Wallace and Okafor aren't going to change that.

Once again, I didn't say I didn't like the deal, it's a steal of a deal really. But I really like Andy and what he brings, which would give me some remorse over the deal. It's not a deal breaker, it just hurts to think of him out of Cleveland.

You're exaggerating our approval of Andy's play and still trying to convince me that Okafor and Wallace are good players, as if nobody on this ****ing planet doesn't know that already.

Well the Amare thing as anyone could see was a joke.Nobody is stupid enough to think that was serious. I know what LeBron does isn't a huge surprise anyomore but Andy had one decent game in which i'll admit without him we would have lost but people start talking like they love him.

I never exaggerated any approval of Andy what so ever. People on here are talking like he is untradeable and it would make our team worse by trading him. Well wouldn't it make our team worse to lose him for nothing? I've always been an AV fan, but I think it's better for the team if he is traded. Mind you this is all moot if we can come to terms on a deal with him.

 

[-Akronite-]

Well the Amare thing as anyone could see was a joke.Nobody is stupid enough to think that was serious.

But you are acting as if Andy is being compared to an player or a starter like Amare, though not necessarily on that level. That's not the case. We are commending Andy on what he has done for us and why it's important to keep him.

I know what LeBron does isn't a huge surprise anyomore but Andy had one decent game in which i'll admit without him we would have lost but people start talking like they love him.

Well, lots of people loved him, then were disappointed by the holdout, injuries, and lack of play last year. Now he's healthy and putting out a 100% effort. What's wrong with fans going back to lovin' the guy?

I never exaggerated any approval of Andy what so ever. People on here are talking like he is untradeable and it would make our team worse by trading him. Well wouldn't it make our team worse to lose him for nothing? I've always been an AV fan, but I think it's better for the team if he is traded. Mind you this is all moot if we can come to terms on a deal with him.

Most people have said that if the trade absolutely brings back proven players that will make us better, then they will live without Andy, though they like him as a player (such as myself).

Chances are a lot better of resigning him compared to how things were last season. We could very well resign him. But if we get a great deal, go ahead. But don't hold your breath for a great deal.

Andy is a very important part of this team. Saying otherwise is ludicrous (not that you are). He brings energy, defense, and all the little things that take us forward and keep the team moving throughout the game. Ben and Z are old and can't hustle like AV. What I'm saying is that I'd love to keep Andy here if possible, and most people think that it's important to keep him here unless a great deal comes along. There is nothing wrong with that. Some people are overboard, but a select few really, while you're generalizing people for complimenting his play as of late.

 

[Da_James_Gang]

Many people are repeating the trades that I listed. :chuckles: I still say Sacramento, Golden State, and Charlotte (and perhaps Milwaukee if they'd do Redd/Villanueva instead of Redd/Gadzuric) are most likely rumors if we're talking just 2-team trades. If the rumors are of 3-team trades, obviously it's just about anyone's guess.

And to anyone who asks, "Why trade AV?", it's only because W&G said things have been discussed and it's fun to try to get an idea of what has been discussed, or at least to the best of our little abilities. I personally do NOT want AV gone because he's been absolutely fantastic off the bench this year, and is a staple during crunch time in the 2nd half. However, it's nice to know that AV + a big fat expiring could bring us back very nice PF/C + SG in the same trade. I'm at least open to hearing what those possibilities may be.

And in the end, this is the trade forum, where most reality and logic is thrown out the window. So no worries, AV fans (me included), we're just having fun.

Same thing i was gonna say, it isn't like i made this thread because i want to get rid of AV. I just made it off of what W&G posted and thought it would be fun to try and guess what was discussed and throw some of our own idea's out there.

I think everyone is happy with AV but the Cavs know what his demands are gonna be so maybe they feel like they are better off going a different route. He probably has the most trade value on our team other than Bron and Wally, so they are gonna test the waters and see what they can do to improve our team. W&G said the deal discussed makes us better now/long term even without AV, so i'm just very curious to see what happens in the next few months. AV is a piece that can definitely get you a very solid player....

Now that being said, when i got off last night i was laying down thinking about this before i fell asleep lol. I thought of two scenerio's and one was with Miami since their pg position is a weak point.

Cavs get:
Gerald Wallace (8.2m)
Udonis Haslem (6.5m)

Heat get:
Raymond Felton (4.1m)
Sean May (2.6m)

Bobcats get:
Wally Szczerbiak (13m)
Anderson Varejao (5.7m)
1st round pick via Cavs

Another one involved our favorite trading partners....

Cavs get:
Chris Wilcox (6.7m)
Gerald Wallace (8.2m)

Bobcats get:
Anderson Varejao (5.7m)
Wally Szczerbiak (13m)
first round pick via Cavs

Thunder get:
Raymond Felton (4.1m)
Sean May (2.6m)

Watson wants out so maybe the Thunder getting Felton allows them to move him........

I would also like to point out that the Bobcats have like 4-5m in cap space available...

 

[sam_slam911]

Id be willing to bet that the deal he was talkin bout involved Gerald Wallace as the swingman. I just think that cause of everything thats goin on right now, with it bein obvious Gerald Wallace will probably be traded in the next few weeks, we can pretty much GUARANTEE tha Ferrys had talks with Charlotte for him, maybe not made an offer, maybe he has.

Apart from Mike Redd, G-Force is the top guy on my list. It ain even fuinny how much hed improve our perimeter defense which is BY FAR our biggest weakness. Point guads and 2-guards just seem to slice straight through our D without breakin a sweat.

Then add to that that Wallace is close to tha same level of athleticism as LeBron. Hes an amazing slasher on the break or i the halfcourt set, and his jumpshot might not be as good as Mike Redd's, but it KEEPS gettin better and its better than Larry Hughes' J.


Im gonna ignore this rumour about Varejao, Wally and a 1st round pick for a swingman and a bigman, and keep sayin what I been sayin.

Be that 3rd team that the Knicks and Cats need to complete their Curry, Wallace swap and send Wally to NYC and a 1st round pick to Charlotte.

We dont desperately need Okafor (even though hed still be great) and I dont wanna have to give up Andy (even though I would if we had to for someone like Wallace or Okafor).

Get that 3 way done Ferry.

 

[Walter White]

Same thing i was gonna say, it isn't like i made this thread because i want to get rid of AV. I just made it off of what W&G posted and thought it would be fun to try and guess what was discussed and throw some of our own idea's out there.

I think everyone is happy with AV but the Cavs know what his demands are gonna be so maybe they feel like they are better off going a different route. He probably has the most trade value on our team other than Bron and Wally, so they are gonna test the waters and see what they can do to improve our team. W&G said the deal discussed makes us better now/long term even without AV, so i'm just very curious to see what happens in the next few months. AV is a piece that can definitely get you a very solid player....

Now that being said, when i got off last night i was laying down thinking about this before i fell asleep lol. I thought of two scenerio's and one was with Miami since their pg position is a weak point.

Cavs get:
Gerald Wallace (8.2m)
Udonis Haslem (6.5m)

Heat get:
Raymond Felton (4.1m)
Sean May (2.6m)

Bobcats get:
Wally Szczerbiak (13m)
Anderson Varejao (5.7m)
1st round pick via Cavs

Another one involved our favorite trading partners....

Cavs get:
Chris Wilcox (6.7m)
Gerald Wallace (8.2m)

Bobcats get:
Anderson Varejao (5.7m)
Wally Szczerbiak (13m)
first round pick via Cavs

Thunder get:
Raymond Felton (4.1m)
Sean May (2.6m)

Watson wants out and he seems like a pg that might fit Browns liking. Plus he only has 2 yrs left on his deal, not a long time but just enough time to let Augustine grow into the starter.

I would also like to point out that the Bobcats have like 4-5m in cap space available...

I love both those trades..... probably the first one more but either way we would get a championship...