The mystery deal discussed lol (take your wild guesses)

[Phills14]

Also, Okafor can't be traded until 90 days after his sign date and Andy can't be traded to the Bobcats until I think Dec 15 (someone can check on that, I think I got that right). Once those hurdles are cleared can Charlotte even make this trade given Emeka is a BYC player. The salaries would match up but the BYC factor would void a deal unless the Bobcats are below the cap enough to make it work. I don't know if that's the case or not, can anyone shed light on this?

-Greg

 

[KU_216]

Where did W&G originally post this? Just curious.

 

[abuC]

Where did W&G originally post this? Just curious.

http://www.realcavsfans.com/showpost.php?p=317707&postcount=40

 

[Phills14]

Dont forget Ben Wallace's contract will be an expirer next year....

I didn't. With Okafor and Gerald Wallace, their combined salaries would be 16 mil. In order to get them essentially you're extended the salary committed to Andy and Wally for more years. You'll have Okafo/Gerald Wallace/Mo Williams/Gibson under contract which would equal about 30 mil dollars roughly. Add LBJ's cap hold and you're sitting around 50 million dollars of salary already committed. Figure we're going to ahve more than 4 players under contract in that offseason and that 50 million in salary committed will be even higher. So if the cap is set in the mid 60s, you could be looking a couple milliion to spend at best, no where near the max dollars of 15-16 mil we're looking at right now.

-Greg

 

[abuC]

I didn't. With Okafor and Gerald Wallace, their combined salaries would be 16 mil. In order to get them essentially you're extended the salary committed to Andy and Wally for more years. You'll have Okafo/Gerald Wallace/Mo Williams/Gibson under contract which would equal about 30 mil dollars roughly. Add LBJ's cap hold and you're sitting around 50 million dollars of salary already committed. Figure we're going to ahve more than 4 players under contract in that offseason and that 50 million in salary committed will be even higher. So if the cap is set in the mid 60s, you could be looking a couple milliion to spend at best, no where near the max dollars of 15-16 mil we're looking at right now.

-Greg

I was speaking more of it as a trade piece near the deadline.

 

[Mdog1]

I didn't. With Okafor and Gerald Wallace, their combined salaries would be 16 mil. In order to get them essentially you're extended the salary committed to Andy and Wally for more years. You'll have Okafo/Gerald Wallace/Mo Williams/Gibson under contract which would equal about 30 mil dollars roughly. Add LBJ's cap hold and you're sitting around 50 million dollars of salary already committed. Figure we're going to ahve more than 4 players under contract in that offseason and that 50 million in salary committed will be even higher. So if the cap is set in the mid 60s, you could be looking a couple milliion to spend at best, no where near the max dollars of 15-16 mil we're looking at right now.

-Greg

We aren't looking to 2010 to improve. If we sign another max guy it leaves about 5 million to sign a bench. And our depth is shot. This also doesn't include if we sign AV which if we do will be more than it will be for Okafor (or close to it). that leaves us not enough to sign another max player anyway.

But if we trade for these guys, we can use Wallaces 14 million next year to trade for a PF or C whichever we think is more needed. That makes us so dangerous and gives us a chance to be really good.

 

[Walter White]

I was originally FOR getting G Force.......then against it........now im BACK for it. I wanted to show some head2head statistics early on this season.
Points Boards Assits Steals Blocks FG% 3p% FT%
Gerald Wallace 17.2 8.8 2 2.4 1.0 49 50 77

Shawn Marion 10 8.5 1 1.7 1.8 41 33 61

Ron Artest 17 5.5 2.5 1.8 .2 35 43 78

 

[Phills14]

Here is a crazy one. See if you guys follow and tell me what you think...

Cleveland sends: Wally/Anderson
Cleveland gets: Stephen Jackson/Emeka Okafor

Charlotte sends: Okafor/Gerald Wallace/Nazr Mohammed/Sean May
Charlotte gets: Wally/Anderson/Curry

New York sends: Curry
New York gets: Al Harrington

Golden State sends: Harrington/Stephen Jackson
Golden State gets: Gerald Wallace/Mohammed/May

I can't give you a trade checker since Okafor can't be traded yet but the numbers should work out. Thoughts?

 

[Phills14]

We aren't looking to 2010 to improve. If we sign another max guy it leaves about 5 million to sign a bench. And our depth is shot. This also doesn't include if we sign AV which if we do will be more than it will be for Okafor (or close to it). that leaves us not enough to sign another max player anyway.

But if we trade for these guys, we can use Wallaces 14 million next year to trade for a PF or C whichever we think is more needed. That makes us so dangerous and gives us a chance to be really good.

That's certainly an option. By making a move to land Okafor/Wallace, Ferry is cashing his chips in now to land the foundation of the team instead of waiting to find out what the pieces COULD be. Not a terrible strategy and probably one I would lean to instead of holding out for cap room and HOPING someone signs our max offer among other max offers to play in Cleveland. If Ferry can pull off the foundation moves now, throw that cap flexibility out the window and leverage his current assets (Z's and Ben's expiring deals) into additional pieces then I'm on board with that too.

 

[TAS]

smh @ some of the posts..... If i was the GM on the other end i would never pull that trigger even if my team was 0-72

Overvaluing players <<<<<<

That's how you end up with players like DeAngelo Hall with a $72 Million contract

 

[Mdog1]

smh @ some of the posts..... If i was the GM on the other end i would never pull that trigger even if my team was 0-72

Overvaluing players <<<<<<

That's how you end up with players like DeAngelo Hall with a $72 Million contract

You seem upset about that. This is the second or third post i've read and you've mentioned it.

Phills1
That's certainly an option. By making a move to land Okafor/Wallace, Ferry is cashing his chips in now to land the foundation of the team instead of waiting to find out what the pieces COULD be. Not a terrible strategy and probably one I would lean to instead of holding out for cap room and HOPING someone signs our max offer among other max offers to play in Cleveland. If Ferry can pull off the foundation moves now, throw that cap flexibility out the window and leverage his current assets (Z's and Ben's expiring deals) into additional pieces then I'm on board with that too.

It does actually make more sense because we are sure to get players that way, where as if we wait for 2010 we are just hoping to get players. Lots of people want to wait, but it doesn't really make a lot of sense.

One max player is good and lets say that guy is a 25 ppg guy (Bosh) now those ppg will go down when he gets here probably to 22 or so. Where as you bring in two guys this year that are both 15 ppg guys. Now those guys numbers would only go down say to 13. Now this isn't scientific so my numbers could (and possibly are) wrong because it's impossible to know what will happen. But anyway two players coming in and sowing up our two weakest spots is only going to improve us where as Bosh would only improve one spot.

And by getting guys through trade we improve our depth. Ben Wallace coming off the bench DWest who is our starter off the bench wow thats crazy good. Plus when we go small we bring in West move Wallace to the three, Bron to the 4 and Okafur to the 5 it's perfect.

 

[Zone]

Dunleavy and Murphy (not hoping it's those 2 guys)

Mobley and Kaman

Marion and Haslem or Blount

Wallace and Okafor

 

[lbusiness]

It's quite simple,but you guys are complicating things, first of all,I hope Andy is not going no where but if so Gadz is a solid insurance policy.

2nd, the usual suspects are Wally and Sasha,two guys who combine to give us what we need from one guy.Looking at the post from W&G it seems like Andy is the other name though, cause sasha has no value.

We can get AV back in the off season since he will be unrestiricted.

That one guy is Mike Redd.

Mike Redd

1. hometown kid
2.gold medalist
3.who we really wanted in 2005
4.top 5 shooters in the league/clutch
5.O'state Buckeye who was known for his D

Cavs give Bucks 2009 1st


Cleveland Cavaliers

Incoming Players
Dan Gadzuric
Dan Gadzuric
Salary: $6,250,195 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 2.7 REB: 1.7 AST: 0.4 PER: 9.02
Michael Redd
Michael Redd
Salary: $15,780,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 21.3 REB: 2.5 AST: 1.8 PER: 17.06

Outgoing Players: Anderson Varejao, Wally Szczerbiak, Eric Snow
Milwaukee Bucks

Incoming Players
Anderson Varejao
Anderson Varejao
Salary: $5,784,480 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 8.1 REB: 5.4 AST: 1.1 PER: 16.10

Offer Matched When a team exercises the right of first refusal to keep a Restricted Free Agent cannot trade the player for 1 year without the player's consent. The player cannot be traded to the team that gave the offer sheet. (Bobcats).
Wally Szczerbiak
Wally Szczerbiak
Salary: $13,775,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 7.3 REB: 1.1 AST: 0.6 PER: 11.62
Eric Snow
Eric Snow
Salary: $7,312,500 Years Remaining: 1

Outgoing Players: Dan Gadzuric, Michael Redd


LBJ/KG
MO/Peirce
Redd/Allen Battle of the BIG 3's

Dyce to the Cavs you can book it.Keep him till 2010 when Ben and Z expire,by that time J.J. and D.J. will be ready to bring major contributions to this team.


My present 5 and depth chart

PG.M.Williams/D.Gibson
SG.M.Redd/D.West/T.Kinsey
SF.L.James/A.Pavlovic/D.Jackson
PF.B.Wallace/A.McDyess/J.Hickson
C.Z.Ilguaskus/D.Gadzuric

Dnp: L.Wright,J.Williams

 

[CavsRules]

W&G has done it again!

7 pages within 24 hours because he mentioned Andy and a trade.

I see why RCF loves this guy, as we all do.

 

[Da_James_Gang]

Also, Okafor can't be traded until 90 days after his sign date and Andy can't be traded to the Bobcats until I think Dec 15 (someone can check on that, I think I got that right). Once those hurdles are cleared can Charlotte even make this trade given Emeka is a BYC player. The salaries would match up but the BYC factor would void a deal unless the Bobcats are below the cap enough to make it work. I don't know if that's the case or not, can anyone shed light on this?

-Greg

Well Okafor can be traded as of Dec 15., the rule is 90 days after he is signed or as early as Dec. 15th depending on which comes first. Yes the BYC will make it tougher, the Bobcats are about 4-5m under the cap so i don't know how much that will help.

As for Andy someone told me it was like the first week of Dec. he can be traded, but not totally sure on that one. But that being said, him and Okafor can be traded around the same time. Doesn't mean it will happen but just trying to clear some things up ...