Re: The Official Game of Thrones [A Song of Ice and Fire] Thread
Why the hell would you come into the thread about the show, knowing full well the show has just ended, if you haven't yet watched it? What are you hoping to gleam? You know for a fact the people in here will be talking about the episode that just aired. How about some common sense?
Oh I'm not upset for me. I've read the books unlike most of you tossers. I'm upset for the people who haven't read the books and wanted a spoiler-free discussion on previous events.
I haven't read the books, as I choose not to want to know what to expect. The matter of the fact is this is a thread about the show/books. It's assumed that there will be spoilers. Not everyone blacks them out.
I don't read certain posts because of the knowledge that certain people have read the books.
Just to confirm, nobody (for now) knows that Joffrey (and his brothers) are actually the sons of Jamie/Cersei, correct? Everyone assumes they are the sons of King Baratheon/Cersei?
Just to confirm, nobody (for now) knows that Joffrey (and his brothers) are actually the sons of Jamie/Cersei, correct? Everyone assumes they are the sons of King Baratheon/Cersei?
Look, if you come into the Game of Thrones thread right after the most recent episode airs and get spoiled as a result, you're the idiot. People are obviously going to be talking about the episode that just aired. What the hell else would we be talking about? If you can't wait until you've watched the most recent episode to click on this topic, that's your own fault. There are plenty of spoiler-free places you can talk about the show.
Now, if I posted "Joffrey died last night" in the TV Series thread without spoiling it, that would be a dick move. But this topic is about Game of Thrones, so things that happened in last night's episode don't need to and shouldn't be spoilered.
Lots of people don't know how to use spoiler tags. I would be dishing out 8 day bans if I was a moderator. Give you that extra day so you can't spoil the next episode.
Why the hell would you come into the thread about the show, knowing full well the show has just ended, if you haven't yet watched it? What are you hoping to gleam? You know for a fact the people in here will be talking about the episode that just aired. How about some common sense?
I don't believe we ever saw the face of the person with the wolf mask on, so if they want to cast Penny they still could later. Aside from that, it wouldn't have made much sense to cast her for one scene in season three when they could just cover her face and cast her later when she's needed. It was always pretty unlikely Pretty Pig and Crunch would be getting the cut, and Oppo could have been any of those guys.
Regardless, is Penny really needed? I guess we won't know until the sixth book, but she always seemed kind of pointless to me.
Just to confirm, nobody (for now) knows that Joffrey (and his brothers) are actually the sons of Jamie/Cersei, correct? Everyone assumes they are the sons of King Baratheon/Cersei?
Everyone "knows" because Stannis sent all those letters out in season two. However, no one can prove it and it benefits most to just pretend that he's legitimate. I believe Olenna and Tywin has a conversation about that last season.
Re: The Official Game of Thrones [A Song of Ice and Fire] Thread
Great episode, as always. Saw these snapshots on r/ASOIAF that are pretty telling, notice the missing jewel to Sansa's left:
When Dontos first gives her the necklace
And Lady Olenna takes a look at it:
And its gone!
Also, those Bran visions though. I was curious to see how they would deal with a very supernatural storyline when up to this point D&D have been very hesitant to include a lot of the more magic-y elements of the story. I'm a sucker for the prophecies though, but it looks like that stuff will never have a place within their show, which is fine I guess. It would be nice for show watchers to understand why Cersei hates Tyrion so much, being the "Valonqar" and all. That scene with The...err I mean Reek and Ramsay/Roose were great. When he finds out about Robb being killed...
Really, the whole wedding was very well done. I loved the interactions between all the different characters, and especially everyone's reaction to Joffrey being a cunt. And of course, his mother and father are the first ones to his side when he chokes out.
edit: Also, is anyone else bothered at all about how the show portrays Stannis as if he is dependent on Melisandre? He was never this fanatical in the books. I don't think he ever actually believed any of Melisandre's babbling in the books, he begrudgingly went along with it because it was another weapon in his arsenal. I don't think he "loves" Melisandre at all. In fact, I think Stannis is almost asexual. He is so single minded on duty and his rights that everything else kinda falls to the side. I remember that scene in S3 where Mel is leaving to find Gendry and Stannis is like a love-sick puppy thinking that she is "abandoning him". I feel like a filthy book purist when I'm writing this, so someone else tell me that they have noticed this too.
When Tywin and Olenna are walking and Mace comes up and she is like "please, the grown ups are talking leave us alone" more or less. That was great. Defintely shows what the power structure is like within the Tyrell family.
Oh, here is something else too: The fact that Bran received direct guidance from Bloodraven on where they need to go pretty much eliminates the need for Coldhands entirely. To me, it seems almost certain now that he has been cut.
I wanna see some Whitewalkers this season!
Ok, I keep coming back to this thread but here is something else that is a little different. It looks like they are foreshadowing a Bolton V Jon Snow conflict already. We see Roose and Ramsay talking about him and Ramsay already actively wants him killed, but we know Roose is smarter than that. I bet Roose sends Locke to the wall and by the time season 5/6 rolls around
Locke is the one who leads the assassination attempt against Jon.
Re: The Official Game of Thrones [A Song of Ice and Fire] Thread
The handling of the poisoning was way better than I anticipated. Awesome that you can see the QoT take the jewel if you're paying attention, but was far from obvious if you weren't.
Re: Stannis. He is consistently being brought up by book readers as being unjustly portrayed. I almost feel like some people are forgetting that he was just as ruthless in the books. He still allowed Mel to burn people. He called them traitors in the books and infidels in the show. I really don't think that's a game changer, especially since Martin wrote this episode. I think what's key is that they portrayed Selyse rather than Stannis as being the fanatical one. Stannis actually steps in to protect his daughter from being punished for her beliefs. This is the Stannis I remember from the books. The only difference is you associate him with the burnings more in the show because he's framed in the shot, whereas in the books you knew Mel was responsible and could envision Stannis being somewhat to the side.
The handling of the poisoning was way better than I anticipated. Awesome that you can see the QoT take the jewel if you're paying attention, but was far from obvious if you weren't.
Re: Stannis. He is consistently being brought up by book readers as being unjustly portrayed. I almost feel like some people are forgetting that he was just as ruthless in the books. He still allowed Mel to burn people. He called them traitors in the books and infidels in the show. I really don't think that's a game changer, especially since Martin wrote this episode. I think what's key is that they portrayed Selyse rather than Stannis as being the fanatical one. Stannis actually steps in to protect his daughter from being punished for her beliefs. This is the Stannis I remember from the books. The only difference is you associate him with the burnings more in the show because he's framed in the shot, whereas in the books you knew Mel was responsible and could envision Stannis being somewhat to the side.
Good point, especially about Martin writing the episode. My only qualm with the burning scene is that Stannis claimed that he did it because Axell Florent refused to remove his "idols." It is pretty obvious that Selyse is practically getting off on the burning. See, if Melisandre had told Stannis that burning this man would hasten their trip to the Wall or to Braavos I think he would do it because it is beneficial to him, not because they were an "infidel" or "heathen." I guess the question is whether or not Stannis is a true believer in the show Vs the books.
I did like that Stannis defended his daughter during that really awkward dinner scene (that was on par to the Jesse-Skylar-Walt dinner scene :chuckles: ). You don't get much hints of Stannis even thinking about Shireen in the books, let alone caring about her.
The handling of the poisoning was way better than I anticipated. Awesome that you can see the QoT take the jewel if you're paying attention, but was far from obvious if you weren't.
Re: Stannis. He is consistently being brought up by book readers as being unjustly portrayed. I almost feel like some people are forgetting that he was just as ruthless in the books. He still allowed Mel to burn people. He called them traitors in the books and infidels in the show. I really don't think that's a game changer, especially since Martin wrote this episode. I think what's key is that they portrayed Selyse rather than Stannis as being the fanatical one. Stannis actually steps in to protect his daughter from being punished for her beliefs. This is the Stannis I remember from the books. The only difference is you associate him with the burnings more in the show because he's framed in the shot, whereas in the books you knew Mel was responsible and could envision Stannis being somewhat to the side.
I've read that the Stannis scene was written by the two showrunners and was intended for episode one. Scenes on this show get moved around to other episodes constantly. An example is the scene last year where Theon lost his favorite toy. That was in Martin's episode, but Martin commented on the blu-ray release that he didn't write it.
I do agree to an extent that Stannis has been poorly portrayed on the show. In the books he is a dick, but at least he appears to have some redeeming qualities. On the show you get all of the former but almost none of the latter. I'm not a die-hard Stannis fan like some book readers, though, so it largely hasn't bothered me aside from the fact that I think basically all the Dragonstone scenes last season (and the one they've had this season) sucked.
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