Your view of Colt McCoy

[AZ_]

We're not talking absolutes here. You don't have to abandon offensive philosophies. You mix in different elements to be successful. You can run a no huddle for a series. You can run shotgun a couple of times within a series. You don't have to be a 100% shotgun or 100% no huddle offense. Obviously, we are trying to be a 100% west coast offense and it doesn't work with the players we have. It can work if you mix up your playbook and design plays that can be successful with the players you have. It's amazing how the 3 yard out that is horribly unsuccessful thus far can be improved when you run something completely different the play before for positive yards. It's when the defense knows what to expect from you play after play that your offense looks like this.

It is without question that we have a lack of talent on this team. Regardless of the schemes we run we still wouldn't be a very good offense. However; we have an unimagnitive and stubborn offensive philosophy and it makes us look even worse than we actually are.

Isn't that what they did yesterday?

 

[Chris]

My view:

He sux

 

[Phills14]

Isn't that what they did yesterday?

For 28 minutes and 30 seconds of the 1st half they ran the west coast offense, resulting in 0 points. The last minute and a half they went no huddle and mixed in some shotgun and got a field goal.

For 23 minutes in the 2nd half they ran the west coast offense, resulting in 0 points. They again ran a no huddle offense their last 2 drives of the game and got 7 points.

My point is, the Browns have had scoring drives when their backs are against the wall and are forced to score quickly. When they can afford to take their time they are not effective at all. I don't see the harm in running a no huddle offense with 8 minutes to go in the 1st quarter or immediately after picking up a first down or any other surprise time through out the game. It's about keeping the defense on their toes. When the defense can set up and prepare themselves for the inevitable run up the middle or short slant route, then we are easy to stop.

Just look at what the 49ers did yesterday. Did anyone in the world besides the 49ers expect them to throw the ball to their Left Tackle? Did anyone think they do it again later in the game but this time to their DEFENSIVE TACKLE who was in playing FULLBACK? No. Did they score a TD from those plays, no they did not. Did they pick up a 1st down to prolong a drive and kill the Browns, yes they did. The Browns are not good enough, they don't have enough talent at the skill positions to line up and tell the defense what they are going to do and say 'stop us'. Yet, that is what they do everytime they snap the ball. Defenses pack the box with 8-9 guys because they know we aren't going to the sidelines, we aren't going past the safeties. We are going to run between the tackles and throw over the middle 6-7 yards or out in the flat.

 

[cdt]

Forget my view of Colt McCoy here's Colt McCoy's view

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[chrisrich91]

This awesome no huddle offense that we're using to score at the end of games is only working because we're facing the prevent defense at that point.

 

[cdt]

This awesome no huddle offense that we're using to score at the end of games is only working because we're facing the prevent defense at that point.

Yeah I know they subtract the 10th man from the box.

 

[Phills14]

This awesome no huddle offense that we're using to score at the end of games is only working because we're facing the prevent defense at that point.

By no means am I saying it's "awesome". I'm saying it's been more effective than the 1 yard and a cloud of sh*t offense we've been running.

True, prevent defense is being played and they are rushing 3 or 4 guys only. Still the Browns are making plays vs the defense. They are still producing. It's worth a shot in the normal flow of the offense if nothing else to make the defense at least work up a sweat on the field.

 

[BooyaCS]

By no means am I saying it's "awesome". I'm saying it's been more effective than the 1 yard and a cloud of sh*t offense we've been running.

True, prevent defense is being played and they are rushing 3 or 4 guys only. Still the Browns are making plays vs the defense. They are still producing. It's worth a shot in the normal flow of the offense if nothing else to make the defense at least work up a sweat on the field.

When your QB is so limited he can only throw the dump offs the 1-yard and a cloud of dust offense is what you get.

 

[Sly]

This awesome no huddle offense that we're using to score at the end of games is only working because we're facing the prevent defense at that point.

They're not using the prevent defense at the beginning of the 4thQ. They're backing off the blitz and giving up the short pass. They're doing this because it's the only point in any given game where they can get burned.

We can't do anything in our base offense with these players and this play-calling. Several people are suggesting the shotgun as a solution of the problem. Including the quarterback. Unless someone has has a different solution that leads to points, I'm assuming you all are content to watch a ridiculously stagnant offense the rest of the season. Lets say they eventually try this and it doesn't work, well half of us are wrong and the team still sucks but at least we tried something.

 

[BooyaCS]

They're not using the prevent defense at the beginning of the 4thQ. They're backing off the blitz and giving up the short pass. They're doing this because it's the only point in any given game where they can get burned.

We can't do anything in our base offense with these players and this play-calling. Several people are suggesting the shotgun as a solution of the problem. Including the quarterback. Unless someone has has a different solution that leads to points, I'm assuming you all are content to watch a ridiculously stagnant offense the rest of the season. Lets say they eventually try this and it doesn't work, well half of us are wrong and the team still sucks but at least we tried something.

Someone explain to me, in depth, what each horrible play is, where is the primary read and why is it a bad play. Not to meniton what would you call in that situation? Until then get off the "horrible Play calling" mantra.

 

[Sly]

Someone explain to me, in depth, what each horrible play is, where is the primary read and why is it a bad play. Not to meniton what would you call in that situation? Until then get off the "horrible Play calling" mantra.

The pocket is being collapsed from the middle, through the guards. Which has led to many of McCoy's scrambles and sacks. It's also ruining the 3-5 step drops right out of the gate. While McCoy is accurate on the run, he doesn't exactly have the arm strength to make up for not having his feet set, and he's being forced to take the punishment for the throws he does make. Whatever his read is, doesn't matter. In distress he's going to the check release. Because that's so often, the defense is playing up considerably more often. Why shouldn't they, we can't burn them over the top and we can't make them respect what we're trying to do. WCO is YAC, but it's also spreading the field horizontally, using angles or windows that render coverage null. If the play fails from the very beginning, there's never an opportunity to capitalize on the scheme. Which is why I'm suggesting we sit him in the shotgun or slide the line when we can. It's gotta be pretty tough to make a 3 step drop when there's no place to step into your throw, or when the receiver hasn't got off the line yet. Really the only thing we're accomplishing is that we're controlling the ball through the short pass.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

The pocket is being collapsed from the middle, through the guards. Which has led to many of McCoy's scrambles and sacks. It's also ruining the 3-5 step drops right out of the gate. While McCoy is accurate on the run, he doesn't exactly have the arm strength to make up for not having his feet set, and he's being forced to take the punishment for the throws he does make. Whatever his read is, doesn't matter. In distress he's going to the check release. Because that's so often, the defense is playing up considerably more often. Why shouldn't they, we can't burn them over the top and we can't make them respect what we're trying to do. WCO is YAC, but it's also spreading the field horizontally, using angles or windows that render coverage null. If the play fails from the very beginning, there's never an opportunity to capitalize on the scheme. Which is why I'm suggesting we sit him in the shotgun or slide the line when we can. It's gotta be pretty tough to make a 3 step drop when there's no place to step into your throw, or when the receiver hasn't got off the line yet. Really the only thing we're accomplishing is that we're controlling the ball through the short pass.

McCoy has issues even when the line does hold up. He holds the ball so long he turns good protection into a sack. A lot of the time he sees pressure that isn't even there and starts to scramble before he even has to. Also, he takes like an 8 step drop which can't help with his timing issues. The guy just can't operate under center.

 

[mofire]

I don't know how I feel about Colt McCoy yet I like somethings he does but I do want to say this for people who compare him to charlie frye. Who the hell does colt have as a playmaker??? At least Frye had Edwards and Winslow who have more talent then anything we have on the current roster right now. Im not defending mccoy but we have too at least look at this situation as a whole.

 

[BooyaCS]

I don't know how I feel about Colt McCoy yet I like somethings he does but I do want to say this for people who compare him to charlie frye. Who the hell does colt have as a playmaker??? At least Frye had Edwards and Winslow who have more talent then anything we have on the current roster right now. Im not defending mccoy but we have too at least look at this situation as a whole.

I will counter your point. Who does SF have as a playmaker in the passing game? Their leading receiver is their TE with not quite 300 yards. Their passing game is 31st in the NFL yet they are still 6-1. St Louis has crap for WRs and they are 26th in passing. Same with Oakland.

Maybe just maybe it is the QB holding the team back. I mean there is this team that is supposed to have all the talent in the world at WR and they have yet to win a game. There is this other team that is also 3-4 and has a much better receiving corp and running back and yet they are still 3-4 (Btw the teams are Indy and dallas).

You beat the Browns by not covering the left side of the field and making them throw the short little dump off passes. Put 11 men in the box and bring the heat. Don't worry about hot routes as the QB cannot hit a hot read. Nor can he throw left or throw to a WR in stride.

 

[Sock]

What do you guys think of the shouty man on youtube and his idea of starting Seneca Wallace. He has the legs to scramble when the pocket collapse and has a better arm than McCoy