Your view of Colt McCoy

[Triplethreat]

I think you're right on about the problems with the line. I can't deny that.

I'm just saying that there are fundamental problems with Colt that I think will continue even when he has more time in the pocket. When he does have time, he's just not making the plays.

Colt made plays in the 8 games that he started last year. There is no reason that he would just get worse over the season. The answer is that the problems lie in other places, not in Colt.

... or maybe I just need to lay of the crack. :chuckles: I don't know, I just think that he showed real potential last year and don't see how you just get worse, but I can see how he would LOOK worse with less weapons.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

Colt made plays in the 8 games that he started last year. There is no reason that he would just get worse over the season. The answer is that the problems lie in other places, not in Colt.

... or maybe I just need to lay of the crack. :chuckles: I don't know, I just think that he showed real potential last year and don't see how you just get worse, but I can see how he would LOOK worse with less weapons.

People have great starts all the time. How they adjust after the league figures them out is what determines their success in the league. In his case, the league has figured out he folds under pressure. As to your point about drops, they count passes that hit the WR's hands. Even of they are too high or thrown behind the guy.

 

[Triplethreat]

People have great starts all the time. How they adjust after the league figures them out is what determines their success in the league. In his case, the league has figured out he folds under pressure. As to your point about drops, they count passes that hit the WR's hands. Even of they are too high or thrown behind the guy.

If it hits you in the hands you should make the catch. My father taught me that one.

But for real, we can all agree we don't have the same amount of offensive firepower around the guy this year as we did last year.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

If it hits you in the hands you should make the catch. My father taught me that one.

But for real, we can all agree we don't have the same amount of offensive firepower around the guy this year as we did last year.

That's easier said than done though, if the guy has to contort his torso backwards just to get his hands on the ball, it's really not an accurate throw. If the guy has to leap as high as he can but the ball goes off of his fingertips, it's not really an accurate throw. If the guy has to dive low to try and scoop an under thrown ball, it's not really an accurate throw. Our receivers have had to repeatedly deal with all of the above. Even that Cribbs TD required him to stop, turn around, and catch a poorly thrown ball. At some point you have to stop blaming the weapons and actually look at his throws. They're just flat out bad. I don't see how that's his receiver's fault.

 

[Triplethreat]

That's easier said than done though, if the guy has to contort his torso backwards just to get his hands on the ball, it's really not an accurate throw. If the guy has to leap as high as he can but the ball goes off of his fingertips, it's not really an accurate throw. If the guy has to dive low to try and scoop an under thrown ball, it's not really an accurate throw. Our receivers have had to repeatedly deal with all of the above. Even that Cribbs TD required him to stop, turn around, and catch a poorly thrown ball. At some point you have to stop blaming the weapons and actually look at his throws. They're just flat out bad. I don't see how that's his receiver's fault.

I'm pretty sure those don't count as drops if it just goes off of their finger tips.

 

[jonmchugh]

was listening to the triv show from yesterday this afternoon at work and the opening cut they played about a 30 second montage of colt taking hits, getting pressures and getting sacked. i just find it hard to judge him given what he has. he has no offensive line besides thomas and mack. our 3 opening day running backs are all hurt and our receivers are garbage. we have the worst offensive threats in the league and it's not even close. almost every team has one or 2 playmakers and we have none. when josh cribbs is considered your best weapon on offense then that tells you that we have a long way to go here.

he has no time to throw. he is getting hit and knocked around on a 3 step drop which is crazy. imo if this keeps up he is going to end up like couch was and ran out of town. triv also said that if the front office believes he will be the guy next year then they should play wallace from here on out because you can't evaluate colt based on the type of product he ran out of town. now while I find that statement a bit crazy he is right on one thing. it would be interesting to see how Wallace would do in this system. Hell, it would be very interested to see how Brady or Rodgers would do. I think they wouldn't do that well.

now, I'm not saying that he is the answer at the QB position nor am I saying that we shouldn't draft a Luck / Barkley type QB if one is available next April. I just feel like the organization isn't going anywhere. holgrem, heckert and shurmur will all be back here next year and if anything, I think Colt will be considered the scapegoat.

 

[Ohdang]

I thought you barely listened to that station anymore?

 

[AZ_]

McCoy is getting more pressure this year, not because the OL is that much worse. But because teams know McCoy is not going to beat them with his arm or wish shots down the field.

He's tried, he's failed.

The light needs to come on, and he needs to get teams to actually respect that part of the game.

 

[RealKingofCleve]

The Browns need to run the football bottomline if they want to win games. I think the running game did have alot to do with how well Colt played last year. Browns need to make the offense less predictable and commit to running the football. They need to stop doing the same damn stretch everytime. Time to mix in some guard pulls, counters, delays, ect... Its going to be tough to run the football without Hilis and Hardesty but if/when they get back, Browns need to be a run first team to have any chance of winning. This will help the entire offense and Colt.

 

[GreasySpread36]

If you watched him last year he was pretty damn good. You don't just regress like that, unless of course the team is hit with a plethora of injuries and have no running game for our QB to open up the pass.

6 touchdown passes, 9 interceptions, a 2-6 record as a starter and an implosion in the final two weeks against quality competition. If that's "pretty damn good" I'd hate to see "pretty damn bad." McCoy hasn't regressed. He wasn't good enough to regress in the first place.

I have a feeling "Colt McCoy had a great rookie year" will become one of those enduring Browns-fan myths along the lines of "Courtney Brown was great against the run" and "Randy Lerner will spend whatever it takes to win."

Serious question. About 95 percent of the defenses of Colt McCoy that I hear consist of excuses for his poor play (bad offensive line, bad coaching, no running game, inexperienced receivers, etc.) What I rarely hear is a simple explanation of why people think Colt can be a guy this or any team can win with. What does he have that makes you think he can be a quality NFL starter? And please don't say he has "moxie" or, worse yet, "it."

 

[bob2the2nd]

6 touchdown passes, 9 interceptions, a 2-6 record as a starter and an implosion in the final two weeks against quality competition. If that's "pretty damn good" I'd hate to see "pretty damn bad." McCoy hasn't regressed. He wasn't good enough to regress in the first place.

I have a feeling "Colt McCoy had a great rookie year" will become one of those enduring Browns-fan myths along the lines of "Courtney Brown was great against the run" and "Randy Lerner will spend whatever it takes to win."

Serious question. About 95 percent of the defenses of Colt McCoy that I hear consist of excuses for his poor play (bad offensive line, bad coaching, no running game, inexperienced receivers, etc.) What I rarely hear is a simple explanation of why people think Colt can be a guy this or any team can win with. What does he have that makes you think he can be a quality NFL starter? And please don't say he has "moxie" or, worse yet, "it."

he's a winner

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

6 touchdown passes, 9 interceptions, a 2-6 record as a starter and an implosion in the final two weeks against quality competition. If that's "pretty damn good" I'd hate to see "pretty damn bad." McCoy hasn't regressed. He wasn't good enough to regress in the first place.

I have a feeling "Colt McCoy had a great rookie year" will become one of those enduring Browns-fan myths along the lines of "Courtney Brown was great against the run" and "Randy Lerner will spend whatever it takes to win."

Serious question. About 95 percent of the defenses of Colt McCoy that I hear consist of excuses for his poor play (bad offensive line, bad coaching, no running game, inexperienced receivers, etc.) What I rarely hear is a simple explanation of why people think Colt can be a guy this or any team can win with. What does he have that makes you think he can be a quality NFL starter? And please don't say he has "moxie" or, worse yet, "it."

I think it's mostly based on us having to watch crap at the beginning of last year plus low expectations for Colt. Then he came in and had some decent performances before tanking out the rest of the year. People cling to what he did well and forget that he's a late 3rd round pick that fell off a cliff. If H&H were really all that confident in him they wouldn't have passed on him so many times.

 

[Ohdang]

My view of Colt McCoy? I don't know, I can't see him behind the offensive line.

 

[MDLT]

6 touchdown passes, 9 interceptions, a 2-6 record as a starter and an implosion in the final two weeks against quality competition. If that's "pretty damn good" I'd hate to see "pretty damn bad." McCoy hasn't regressed. He wasn't good enough to regress in the first place.

I have a feeling "Colt McCoy had a great rookie year" will become one of those enduring Browns-fan myths along the lines of "Courtney Brown was great against the run" and "Randy Lerner will spend whatever it takes to win."

Serious question. About 95 percent of the defenses of Colt McCoy that I hear consist of excuses for his poor play (bad offensive line, bad coaching, no running game, inexperienced receivers, etc.) What I rarely hear is a simple explanation of why people think Colt can be a guy this or any team can win with. What does he have that makes you think he can be a quality NFL starter? And please don't say he has "moxie" or, worse yet, "it."

The argument for McCoy has always been based on two things: intelligence and accuracy. Those have always been the arguments in favor of him.

I was talking to a former college football coach about this on Sunday (not a head coach, defensive line) and McCoy came up. I asked him if he thought McCoy was an NFL starter, and he said its too hard to tell given that this offensive line has prevented him from learning to make quick reads in the WCO, hindering accuracy and generally an ability make quick decisions.

I'd like to see Holmgren draft a QB if he really thinks one of them will be very good. But putting everything on McCoy in the midst of a transition, a terrible offensive line, and truly no playmakers around him - it's absurd.

 

[Kevalier]

Although Colt has disappointed this season thus far especially on his accuracy on intermediate throws which was supposedly one of his strengths, his stats through these first 8 games are practically identical to Sam Bradford's numbers LAST season under his first 8 games in Pat Shurmur's offense. That being said, Bradford still has much more upside than Colt, and I can't imagine that the Rams' passing game appeared to be as putrid as the Browns' craptastic air assualt so far this year. My hunch still says that the Browns trot out Colt next season though I hope they don't pass on Barkley if he's still on the board during their first pick.

http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/by-the-numbers-bradford-vs-mccoy-1.244699

Note: The following are the statistics of St. Louis Rams quarterback Sam Bradford and Browns quarterback Colt McCoy through their first eight games of their time with coach Pat Shurmur:
Player Com. Att. Pct. Yards Yards/att. TD INT Rating Sacks Record
Sam Bradford 171 292 58.5 1,674 5.73 11 8 75.9 17 4-4
Colt McCoy 177 308 57.5 1,764 5.73 10 6 76.5 20 3-5