Your view of Colt McCoy

[Sly]

I'd rather give him a chance to sink or swim. Not looking good, but maybe he surprises us.

 

[Huber.]

I'd rather give him a chance to sink or swim. Not looking good, but maybe he surprises us.

Obviously he is our quarterback the rest of the season.

 

[Sly]

Man I wanna be wrong and have him step up the rest of the season and not have to blow a top pick on a QB..

 

[elcheato]

We could draft Brandon Weeden late as a veteran stop gap

 

[AZ_]

We could draft Brandon Weeden late as a veteran stop gap

No thanks.

He's raw at 28, he'd be more of a bridge to nowhere

 

[Ohdang]

Can't say I've ever heard anyone suggest we draft a veteran stopgap before.

 

[Sly]

I'm pretty sure that was a joke.

 

[Ohdang]

I'm pretty sure that was a joke.

I dunno, this forum has produced some seriously retarded posts at times. You can never really be certain...

 

[Sly]

Fucking internet, everything needs a damn obligatory smiley face.

 

[Triplethreat]

Let's take a look at Colt McCoy, who most everybody on this board sees as really the biggest problem with this team.

In his first full season as a starting QB, Colt is on pace for:

3400 yards passing
20 Touchdowns
12 Interceptions

Those stats to me, for being a second year QB aren't bad at all.

Right now Colt McCoy is completing his passes at a 57.5% clip this season. Not impressive at all, I agree. What you don't realize is that the Browns actually have 18 drops this season. 18 DROPS. That's second in the league to the Rams, who have 19 thus far. IF, and thats an IF, all of those passes were caught, Colt would be completing his passes at a 63% clip, which is excellent. That's not realistic though, say half of those passes were caught. He comes in at 60.3%, which is still pretty impressive for a second year QB.

This season, Colt has been sacked 20 times already, and his hit total is up to 52. Only 4 teams (Rams, Seahawks, Dolphins, and Redskins) have tallied more than we have. Clearly showing that the Offensive line, which has been hit by injuries has been atrocious this year.

Of course we have to address Colt's very low 5.7 YPA. In fact, last year in 8 games his YPA was 7.1. So why has it fallen? Because Colt doesn't have a running game to open up throws going down the field, and he really doesn't have enough time to wait for receivers to get open down the field. He showed last year that he CAN make throws down the field to open receivers when given time. Hell, he would be so much better if we had a LEGIT receiver prospect out there. (Nothing against Greg Little, he's going to be good.)

Let's take a look at Peyton Manning's first 16 games in the NFL:

16 GP 326 Comp 575 Att 56.7% COMP 3,739 yards 6.50 YPA 26 TD 28 INT 71.2 QB RAT

Now Colt's first 16 games:

16 GP 312 Comp 530 Att 58.9% COMP 3,340 yards 6.3 YPA 16 TD 15 INT 75.7 QB RAT

Their stats are VERY similar.

Don't think that I'm saying Colt is/can be like Peyton, because he can't. But he can be a good QB in this league and saying he isn't good, or he is the biggest problem with this team is wrong. He doesn't have the players around him to be successful, and we need to give him more time.

 

[The Oi]

Let's take a look at Colt McCoy, who most everybody on this board sees as really the biggest problem with this team.

In his first full season as a starting QB, Colt is on pace for:

3400 yards passing
20 Touchdowns
12 Interceptions

Those stats to me, for being a second year QB aren't bad at all.

Right now Colt McCoy is completing his passes at a 57.5% clip this season. Not impressive at all, I agree. What you don't realize is that the Browns actually have 18 drops this season. 18 DROPS. That's second in the league to the Rams, who have 19 thus far. IF, and thats an IF, all of those passes were caught, Colt would be completing his passes at a 63% clip, which is excellent. That's not realistic though, say half of those passes were caught. He comes in at 60.3%, which is still pretty impressive for a second year QB.

This season, Colt has been sacked 20 times already, and his hit total is up to 52. Only 4 teams (Rams, Seahawks, Dolphins, and Redskins) have tallied more than we have. Clearly showing that the Offensive line, which has been hit by injuries has been atrocious this year.

Of course we have to address Colt's very low 5.7 YPA. In fact, last year in 8 games his YPA was 7.1. So why has it fallen? Because Colt doesn't have a running game to open up throws going down the field, and he really doesn't have enough time to wait for receivers to get open down the field. He showed last year that he CAN make throws down the field to open receivers when given time. Hell, he would be so much better if we had a LEGIT receiver prospect out there. (Nothing against Greg Little, he's going to be good.)

Let's take a look at Peyton Manning's first 16 games in the NFL:

16 GP 326 Comp 575 Att 56.7% COMP 3,739 yards 6.50 YPA 26 TD 28 INT 71.2 QB RAT

Now Colt's first 16 games:

16 GP 312 Comp 530 Att 58.9% COMP 3,340 yards 6.3 YPA 16 TD 15 INT 75.7 QB RAT

Their stats are VERY similar.

Don't think that I'm saying Colt is/can be like Peyton, because he can't. But he can be a good QB in this league and saying he isn't good, or he is the biggest problem with this team is wrong. He doesn't have the players around him to be successful, and we need to give him more time.

You can't possibly be watching the games.

Peyton Manning and Colt McCoy, even in their first two seasons, have absolutely nothing to do with one another. Peyton Manning is taller, stronger, has a better arm, is smarter, has better intangibles, and the list goes on and on.

You cannot just look at stats and come to a conclusion about whether an NFL QB is getting the best out of his team given his experience level. I agree that Colt's stats don't look that bad...but HE DOES look that bad.

Colt does not have the upside Peyton did. Peyton sucking was a hell of a lot different than Colt sucking because his ceiling was always a lot higher than Colt's. The difference in TD's meanwhile was massive, which is the bottom line problem with Colt.

You can certainly keep up your argument, and I respect your opinion, but you're just ultimately going to be wrong.

 

[Triplethreat]

You can't possibly be watching the games.

Peyton Manning and Colt McCoy, even in their first two seasons, have absolutely nothing to do with one another.

You cannot just look at stats and come to a conclusion about whether an NFL QB is getting the best out of his team given his experience level. I agree that Colt's stats don't look that bad...but HE DOES look that bad.

Oh I am, and to me more glaringly than the QB, is the O-Line/WR's/RB's. If you watched him last year he was pretty damn good. You don't just regress like that, unless of course the team is hit with a plethora of injuries and have no running game for our QB to open up the pass.

Like I said, I'm not saying he's going to be Peyton, but you really can't judge a QB on 16 games. Not at all actually. This team is literally in shambles. And the QB isn't the biggest problem, in fact I have no idea what we have in McCoy yet because he hasn't been put in a good situation to really prove himself. Just getting trashed every game, not being able to run the ball AT ALL, and having one receiver who get's open.

 

[The Oi]

If you watched him last year he was pretty damn good.

Now, that I agree with. He looked very good on the 15-30 yard passes and that was the main thing that impressed me about him. The problem is...he's just not throwing those passes anymore when the receivers are open. And the reason he's not doing it is that he's panicking and his arm strength appears to have regressed somehow. It's not all that uncommon for a QB to start off really well and then just take a steep decline...particularly after a full off-season. It's the same thing with major league pitchers.

The book is out on Colt and he doesn't appear to be willing to step up in the pocket and make passes...even when he's not being blitzed. You simply cannot rely on making all your plays outside of the pocket. He doesn't have the rifle that Favre had or Cutler has or the size and deep ball that Roethlisberger has. And even those guys make- or made in Favre's case- the bulk of their plays from inside the pocket and throwing downfield. If you can't make plays in the pocket due to a lack of height, balls, or field vision...you simply cannot be an NFL QB. It's impossible.

 

[Triplethreat]

Now, that I agree with. He looked very good on the 15-30 yard passes and that was the main thing that impressed me about him. The problem is...he's just not throwing those passes anymore when the receivers are open. And the reason he's not doing it is that he's panicking and his arm strength appears to have regressed somehow.

If you look at the protection last year, compared to this years. Colt has WAY more time, I remember him just sitting back there against the Pats and Saints. Now this year he can't even get a solid 5-7 drop in at all. He isn't getting the time to throw these Intermediate/Long routes, and that's because of the injury to Steiny, and the weak Right side, as well as Hillis who as I've said before, may be one of the best "stay back and block" running backs in the league.

 

[The Oi]

If you look at the protection last year, compared to this years. Colt has WAY more time, I remember him just sitting back there against the Pats and Saints. Now this year he can't even get a solid 5-7 drop in at all. He isn't getting the time to throw these Intermediate/Long routes, and that's because of the injury to Steiny, and the weak Right side, as well as Hillis who as I've said before, may be one of the best "stay back and block" running backs in the league.

I think you're right on about the problems with the line. I can't deny that.

I'm just saying that there are fundamental problems with Colt that I think will continue even when he has more time in the pocket. When he does have time, he's just not making the plays.