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The Unofficial Mock Drafts Thread (SI has us trading up, but see what we give)

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Luck may have all of the potential in the world, but landing in Indianapolis is going to be terrible for him. They have no offensive line, no defense, no running game, and they're about to lose their best receiver. They'll have the TE position locked down and nothing else. The Colts would do very well to trade luck for some team's next two drafts, because he'd likely run close to that value with all of the hype.

For as bad as many people consider the Browns, we're much better off right now than Indy is. Those fans are going to have a rough go for awhile, and I don't think Luck by himself will make that team respectable. He might do enough to keep them from drafting in the top 8 for the next couple of years, but that's not exactly going to benefit the Colts much either. All of this is my opinion of course.
 
Talm said:
Luck may have all of the potential in the world, but landing in Indianapolis is going to be terrible for him. They have no offensive line, no defense, no running game, and they're about to lose their best receiver. They'll have the TE position locked down and nothing else. The Colts would do very well to trade luck for some team's next two drafts, because he'd likely run close to that value with all of the hype.

For as bad as many people consider the Browns, we're much better off right now than Indy is. Those fans are going to have a rough go for awhile, and I don't think Luck by himself will make that team respectable. He might do enough to keep them from drafting in the top 8 for the next couple of years, but that's not exactly going to benefit the Colts much either. All of this is my opinion of course.
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This commercial reminds me of being fucked up at college and seeing this guy's Sleep City commercials. Hilarious.

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Rap Soda said:
This commercial reminds me of being fucked up at college and seeing this guy's Sleep City commercials. Hilarious.

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The most exciting part about Piqua is having a Bob Evans and a Cracker Barrel across the street from each other. My wife is from the area, and we bought a house down here a couple of years ago. It's easier to find a good job in Dayton than in Cleveland, but if I get the right offer to move back north, I'll be back in a heartbeat. The wife is also considering going for her doctorate down at Texas A&M, so we may end up going that way for a few years. Either way, I can't see myself living here for more than 5 more years or so.
 
Jigo_oi said:
I want to pop in and say once again that Andrew Luck is over-rated. Watched him five times this past year.

I can recall maybe 2-3 plays with Luck where I said, "That's the kind of throw only very good NFL QB's can throw." I didn't see a real cannon of an arm, didn't see laser precision on 20-30 yard passes, and I didn't see really anything that dropped my jaw like RG3 did 4-5 times a game.

I saw him have shitty to mediocre first halves in several games and I saw a lot more forced passes than I expected to from such a highly touted prospect.

Whatever, "it" is...Luck must have a HELL of a lot of it based on what the scouts and pundits say about him. Because what I saw him do on the actual field was average.

I just don't get it.
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People are already saying Luck has an average arm, while RG3 has good to great arm strength.

Both no doubt are smart QBs. However, Luck has been calling plays I believe for 2 years or something. This shows how comfortable and knowledgeable he is with all types of different plays and smart enough to call the right one during critical moments.

While RG3 too has experienced all different type of plays, he isnt really experienced under center. He is from a shot gun based offense and unless the coaches are wiling to help as much as they could like Carolina did with Cam Newton, they arent sure he could start from day 1 like Luck will.

I like Griffin and I believe he'll do well competing with McCoy for the starting position. If our coaches could modify their offense a little and play more shotgun quick hitters and throw in a couple of read options, it would help Griffin's transition better than just sticking him to whatever preset they had for McCoy.
 
What if RG3 falls to 4, do we draft him, or trade to washington or dolphins for pics? At 6 Blackman or Rb, plus able to add another 2nd this year and either a 1st or 2nd next year.
 
cavsfan1985 said:
What if RG3 falls to 4, do we draft him, or trade to washington or dolphins for pics? At 6 Blackman or Rb, plus able to add another 2nd this year and either a 1st or 2nd next year.
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I would rather just take RGIII to be honest. I'm not a huge fan of blackmon or rb in the top 10.
 
cavsfan1985 said:
What if RG3 falls to 4, do we draft him, or trade to washington or dolphins for pics? At 6 Blackman or Rb, plus able to add another 2nd this year and either a 1st or 2nd next year.
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If he's there at 4, I expect Holmgren to have Goodell's number on speed dial and make the pick in the first 30 seconds. There is absolutely no reason to not pick him. First off, McCoy sucks and I rather have Griffin than next years QB class.

And the cost of moving from 6th to 4th is probably a 1st and a 3rd. Its not worth 2 1st and a 2nd or 1 st and 2 2nd.
 
Sock said:
If he's there at 4, I expect Holmgren to have Goodell's number on speed dial and make the pick in the first 30 seconds. There is absolutely no reason to not pick him. First off, McCoy sucks and I rather have Griffin than next years QB class.

And the cost of moving from 6th to 4th is probably a 1st and a 3rd. Its not worth 2 1st and a 2nd or 1 st and 2 2nd.
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Yes, there absolutely is 1 very big reason that, if it is the case, the Browns should not take Griffin.

That is if H & H don't think he's a franchise QB. If that's the case, I don't want them taking him. It would be insanely stupid to draft him just because "he's better than McCoy". If you're taking a QB at #4, you better be sure he's going to be your franchise QB, especially if your team has so many other holes to fill.
 
I don't think I can go through another season with Colt starting. He has no future as a starting QB in this league. At the same time, I agree with MoFlo's point above. Either way, im happy with the fact we should be walking away with one of Claiborn, RG4. or Blackmon. In past drafts, we were always a spot or two away from the taking the guy we really wanted.
 
I don't know what to make of RG3. He's got a ton of talent and could be great, but at the same time, there are a lot of unknowns about him. Specifically whether or not his game will translate at the pro level.

More than anything though, I want us to use a high pick on a QB to try and get our franchise QB. One of the Browns overarching problems is that they really haven't focused on bringing in a franchise QB. Of the 13 first round picks the Browns drafted since 1999, only two have been on a QB when it was clear we desperately needed one. Of those 13, seven were top 10 picks - yet the last time we used a top 10 pick to land a QB was Tim Couch in '99.

Now, I know that QBs are never a sure thing but we need to land a franchise QB in the worst way -- RG3 is thus well worth any risk at this point.
 
MoFloDeepintheQ said:
Yes, there absolutely is 1 very big reason that, if it is the case, the Browns should not take Griffin.

That is if H & H don't think he's a franchise QB. If that's the case, I don't want them taking him. It would be insanely stupid to draft him just because "he's better than McCoy". If you're taking a QB at #4, you better be sure he's going to be your franchise QB, especially if your team has so many other holes to fill.
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Then why should we even bother?

They are going to make the final decision in the end and its unlikely they'll take a peek here.

Guess we should retire the forum huh.
 
MoFloDeepintheQ said:
Yes, there absolutely is 1 very big reason that, if it is the case, the Browns should not take Griffin.

That is if H & H don't think he's a franchise QB. If that's the case, I don't want them taking him. It would be insanely stupid to draft him just because "he's better than McCoy". If you're taking a QB at #4, you better be sure he's going to be your franchise QB, especially if your team has so many other holes to fill.
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this is like when i took an engineering test in college and had to define my assumptions on every single problem and by the end of the test had written between 5 and 10 times that the acceleration due to gravity was assumed to be 9.8 m/s2

obviously the browns wont draft him if they dont feel as though he is a franchise QB, but the same can be said for every other player in play for the 4th overall pick, the browns wont draft player X unless they feel that player will do well.
 
cavsfan1985 said:
What if RG3 falls to 4, do we draft him, or trade to washington or dolphins for pics? At 6 Blackman or Rb, plus able to add another 2nd this year and either a 1st or 2nd next year.
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I don't see the point of trading down. I feel we should just take the BPA at each spot we are picking.
 
Pavlovic3Ball said:
I don't see the point of trading down. I feel we should just take the BPA at each spot we are picking.
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So if Kalil falls to 4, we take him? Or baring that, Richardson?

BPA sounds far better than it is. We need BPA that fills a hole, even if it's not our biggest hole. If we'd be drafting a guy who grades out as a #8 pick at #4, we aren't getting return value for the pick, and, as a result, it would make more sense to trade down. Sometimes trading up or down equates to BPA.
 
Sock said:
People are already saying Luck has an average arm, while RG3 has good to great arm strength.

Both no doubt are smart QBs. However, Luck has been calling plays I believe for 2 years or something. This shows how comfortable and knowledgeable he is with all types of different plays and smart enough to call the right one during critical moments.

While RG3 too has experienced all different type of plays, he isnt really experienced under center. He is from a shot gun based offense and unless the coaches are wiling to help as much as they could like Carolina did with Cam Newton, they arent sure he could start from day 1 like Luck will.

I like Griffin and I believe he'll do well competing with McCoy for the starting position. If our coaches could modify their offense a little and play more shotgun quick hitters and throw in a couple of read options, it would help Griffin's transition better than just sticking him to whatever preset they had for McCoy.
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If I remember correctly Luck has the playsheet on his arm like a lot of QBs do. In that case he gets a set of numbers from the sideline and then calls that set in the huddle. At the line he can change off of play 1 or keep the first play called in the huddle.

Also RG3 has been under center at Baylor. Also Art Briles was at Houston with Kevin Kolb. Kolb was able to somewhat make the transition from this offense to the NFL.

Then there is this little tidbit i found
In contrast, Briles' offense is only a spread by definition because the quarterback rarely goes under center. The offensive line has normal splits, which greatly aids in the running game. Notice that Baylor has the most balanced offense in the nation with over 300 yards passing and 200 yards rushing. Yes, Baylor is lethally quick with over 30 drives for a touchdown this season in less than 2 minutes, but it also runs the ball very well. Also, while Briles' offense does have plenty of quick passes, it should also be noted that it has a lot of very long touch passes. Briles has moved away from the "bubble screen" offense he ran early at Baylor and improved it to a full offense complete with a strong running game and crossing patterns. The quarterback is responsible for reading defenses and looking for 2nd and 3rd options when required.
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