The Unofficial Mock Drafts Thread (SI has us trading up, but see what we give)

[Pavlovic3Ball]

Kalil, DeCastro, Claiborne are all better players.

Aside from Kalil, most would disagree with you.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

If we do end up with RGIII, it will be interesting to see if the national media starts giving some love to the Browns, or if they'll take the "Cleveland's cursed and RGIII is screwed now" route. Would be nice to get a Monday nighter at least. While I'm definitely warming up to the possibility of getting RGIII, I still wouldn't trade up for him. But then again, I don't think we'll have to.

It think they will play up the "Cleveland on the Rise" angle. Kyrie a Cav, RG3 a Brown, etc.

 

[DaNewCavs]

What if H&H have Murray, Barkley or Wilson rated ahead of RG3? Do you still take RG3, or fill in the holes at other positions, get a stopgap QB for this year to compete with McCoy and focus your draft on a QB next year?

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

What if H&H have Murray, Barkley or Wilson rated ahead of RG3? Do you still take RG3, or fill in the holes at other positions, get a stopgap QB for this year to compete with McCoy and focus your draft on a QB next year?

I don't think waiting on next year's draft to find a QB is a great idea. This team needs to get a QB before anything else imo.

 

[Phills14]

What if H&H have Murray, Barkley or Wilson rated ahead of RG3? Do you still take RG3, or fill in the holes at other positions, get a stopgap QB for this year to compete with McCoy and focus your draft on a QB next year?

RG3 would either have to be rated very low in their minds or those 3 would have to be off the charts. In order for that to happen we will need another top 10 pick which means we are winning 6 or less games next season. I don't think the organization wants to waste another year. It's time for them to start winning and in order to do that they need to get a QB. They are in the a great spot to get it done this year so if RG3 is a guy they believe in, they need to make it happen now.

 

[MoFlo]

First off, I like RG3. If I'm them, I'll pick him. However I wont pick a guy like Tannehill because I dont like him.

So i'm not sure what you're talking about.

I think we're talking about 2 different perspectives. I'm talking about what I'd do if I were H & H and I didn't think he was a franchise guy, while you are talking about your opinion of the him, saying you think he is a franchise guy.

All I'm saying is: My opinion of RGIII aside, if I'm H & H and I don't think he's a franchise guy, I'm not taking him.

As for the couple others who are saying that's obvious that they shouldn't take him if they don't feel he's a franchise guy. Not really.. they can still like the kid & take a risk even if they don't feel he's a franchise QB. That's what I'm saying they need to avoid.

 

[MoFlo]

While my opinion is mixed, you absolutely do not wait to see if you can grab a QB in next season's draft. If they feel RGIII is a franchise guy, they should take him and not take a chance on waiting until next year's class.

 

[bob2the2nd]

I'm probably the highest on DeCastro on this board and I would only take him in the teens.

there are lots of people very high on decastro on this board, but i agree with you i would only take him in the teens, its too bad that falcons pick isnt at 15. though ive said it before if decastro fell to 22nd and the browns took him i would be more excited by that than anyone they take at 4

 

[Dr. Gymbo]

I've kept my two cents out of here for a long time, but I finally am willing to offer an opinion:

I'm also in the "I don't know what to make of RG3" camp. I've had about all I can stand of Cleveland sports media shoving him down my throat though, I can tell you that. I tried listening to 92.3 The Fan for like a week and I swear to God, it was "The RG3 Channel" because it's ALL they talked about no matter what time of the day I turned it on. It's also what all the media is talking about.

Look, I get it, he's got talent, brains, work ethic, character, etc. He's likely to be a pretty good QB. I just don't see the elite level, franchise-core player yet. Does it bother ANYBODY that he's already torn his ACL? For someone that will likely rely on his athleticism as an upgrade over what we have now at QB, this concerns me. When I hear people talk about trading up for him, that alone is reason enough for me to pass on trading up. This team has so many holes all over the place and to waste assets is just mind-boggling. Trading up makes no sense to me. If he's there at #4, I would consider taking him, don't get me wrong. I'm not anti-RG3.

If you plug RG3 into McCoy's spot with the same roster of offensive line and wide receivers, I just don't see that much of an upgrade. It's not a knock on RG3, it's a knock on how bad some of our offensive players are. I'll probably get skewered alive and laughed off of these boards, for saying this, but I would rather upgrade more of the roster as a whole and give Colt another season. If Colt didn't lead the team in those games against New England, New Orleans, and the New York Jets the season before last, I would be 1000% on board with giving up on him. I'll definitely get eviscerated for admitting that I'd almost rather them trade down at #4 if RG3 is there with Washington or Miami.

The other part of my stance is that I feel as if the majority of Browns' fans are overly impatient and are going after the shiny new toy when it comes to RG3. I know the Browns have been bad for a long time and it frustrates the hell out of me too. But an endless carousel of QBs and head coaches is never going to make things get better. I would like to see what could happen with a little stability, a little continuity. I'm just not willing to go all in for RG3, have him bust, and watch as the rebuild takes another 2 years (especially if we give up the farm for him).

I have an unpopular opinion as far as the consensus, I'm prepared for the flaming. I just try to look at as many different viewpoints as I can when it comes to investments into this team's future.

 

[JayDub]

RG3 Is a legit prospect. If they're was no Luck he'd be the 1st pick for sure. He's comparable to Cam Newton, to me. Luck is higher rated because what he did in college in terms of complexity of offense, how much he was asked to do at the line of scrimmage and how good he was for his entire career. RG3 I think has the higher ceiling of the two because he's a world class athlete and his knowledge of the game will improve. RG3 has it all in terms of a quarterback. He made down field read and throws. His intangibles will rate out as high as Luck or any other guy. I have no doubt that he's our target. My only question is if we'll trade up to 2 to get him. I'm hoping we do.

 

[bob2the2nd]

I think we're talking about 2 different perspectives. I'm talking about what I'd do if I were H & H and I didn't think he was a franchise guy, while you are talking about your opinion of the him, saying you think he is a franchise guy.

All I'm saying is: My opinion of RGIII aside, if I'm H & H and I don't think he's a franchise guy, I'm not taking him.

As for the couple others who are saying that's obvious that they shouldn't take him if they don't feel he's a franchise guy. Not really.. they can still like the kid & take a risk even if they don't feel he's a franchise QB. That's what I'm saying they need to avoid.

correct me if im wrong but it sounds like your opinion is "i dont care if RG3 is rated a better prospect than anyone else after luck, if he isnt a 'franchise' QB i dont want him."

 

[polska2211]

I've kept my two cents out of here for a long time, but I finally am willing to offer an opinion:

I'm also in the "I don't know what to make of RG3" camp. I've had about all I can stand of Cleveland sports media shoving him down my throat though, I can tell you that. I tried listening to 92.3 The Fan for like a week and I swear to God, it was "The RG3 Channel" because it's ALL they talked about no matter what time of the day I turned it on. It's also what all the media is talking about.

Look, I get it, he's got talent, brains, work ethic, character, etc. He's likely to be a pretty good QB. I just don't see the elite level, franchise-core player yet. Does it bother ANYBODY that he's already torn his ACL? For someone that will likely rely on his athleticism as an upgrade over what we have now at QB, this concerns me. When I hear people talk about trading up for him, that alone is reason enough for me to pass on trading up. This team has so many holes all over the place and to waste assets is just mind-boggling. Trading up makes no sense to me. If he's there at #4, I would consider taking him, don't get me wrong. I'm not anti-RG3.

If you plug RG3 into McCoy's spot with the same roster of offensive line and wide receivers, I just don't see that much of an upgrade. It's not a knock on RG3, it's a knock on how bad some of our offensive players are. I'll probably get skewered alive and laughed off of these boards, for saying this, but I would rather upgrade more of the roster as a whole and give Colt another season. If Colt didn't lead the team in those games against New England, New Orleans, and the New York Jets the season before last, I would be 1000% on board with giving up on him. I'll definitely get eviscerated for admitting that I'd almost rather them trade down at #4 if RG3 is there with Washington or Miami.

The other part of my stance is that I feel as if the majority of Browns' fans are overly impatient and are going after the shiny new toy when it comes to RG3. I know the Browns have been bad for a long time and it frustrates the hell out of me too. But an endless carousel of QBs and head coaches is never going to make things get better. I would like to see what could happen with a little stability, a little continuity. I'm just not willing to go all in for RG3, have him bust, and watch as the rebuild takes another 2 years (especially if we give up the farm for him).

I have an unpopular opinion as far as the consensus, I'm prepared for the flaming. I just try to look at as many different viewpoints as I can when it comes to investments into this team's future.

No. medical knowledge/ACL surgery is to the point where as long as they are fully recovered, the player is just as good as he was before. he looked fine this past season.

The browns have not used their top pick on a quarterback since Tim Couch. McCoy was a 3rd round pick. Why wouldn't you want to end the quarterback carousel with a guy that has insane athletic ability and potential?

RG3 has playmaking ability, which is something that no browns quarterback since the expansion has had. he makes defenses game plan around his ability to move in the pocket and scramble, as well as his arm strength and ability to stretch the field.
i think that people are overlooking this:

Say we stay with mccoy because we want to draft a quarterback next year, and win 5-7 games next year... that would put us in the 10's, correct? the browns are finally in the top 4, and there is an amazing quarterback prospect on the board. we would be fools to pass, because you dont know if you will be in the position to take a guy like this again. in 2004, if the browns would have been in the top 4, they could have ended up with Rivers or Manning. 2005? we drafted 3rd, but there were arguably no top-tier "potential" guys in that draft (Aaron Rodgers was drafted 24th). 2007? Browns take Joe Thomas at 3 (great pick), and the second quarterback taken off the board was Quinn at 22.

 

[MoFlo]

correct me if im wrong but it sounds like your opinion is "i dont care if RG3 is rated a better prospect than anyone else after luck, if he isnt a 'franchise' QB i dont want him."

More or less. Just because he's rated higher than anybody besides Luck, doesn't mean A) That he's going to end up that way in the long run and/or B) That taking him at #4 won't come back to bite us.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we will regret it, but if the #4 pick in the draft is a QB on a team with so many other holes, that team better be confident that he is the QB of the future & will be pretty damn close to a franchise guy. I'm not interested in taking a "good" QB that high, and neither should H & H.

The last thing I want is for H & H to sit there & end up saying: "Well, he might end up being a franchise QB, but we're not too confident that he will be. Well, screw it, he's better than Colt, let's take him anyway."

If they are confident he's a franchise guy, by all means, I'll be happy with the pick. However, if they have their doubts, I don't want them taking him just because. They know talent & they know QB's, so I trust their judgement.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

More or less. Just because he's rated higher than anybody besides Luck, doesn't mean A) That he's going to end up that way in the long run and/or B) That taking him at #4 won't come back to bite us.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we will regret it, but if the #4 pick in the draft is a QB on a team with so many other holes, that team better be confident that he is the QB of the future & will be pretty damn close to a franchise guy. I'm not interested in taking a "good" QB that high, and neither should H & H.

The last thing I want is for H & H to sit there & end up saying: "Well, he might end up being a franchise QB, but we're not too confident that he will be. Well, screw it, he's better than Colt, let's take him anyway."

If they are confident he's a franchise guy, by all means, I'll be happy with the pick. However, if they have their doubts, I don't want them taking him just because. They know talent & they know QB's, so I trust their judgement.

I really doubt that you need to worry about H&H taking RG3 just because they think he's better than Colt. Heckert has shown in his 2 years here that he knows how to evaluate talent, especially in the 1st round. I doubt they take RG3 unless they think he's the QB of the future.

I love RG3, I want him on my team. But I trust H&H, so I'm okay with whatever moves they decide to make.

 

[GreasySpread36]

I've kept my two cents out of here for a long time, but I finally am willing to offer an opinion:

I'm also in the "I don't know what to make of RG3" camp. I've had about all I can stand of Cleveland sports media shoving him down my throat though, I can tell you that. I tried listening to 92.3 The Fan for like a week and I swear to God, it was "The RG3 Channel" because it's ALL they talked about no matter what time of the day I turned it on. It's also what all the media is talking about.

Look, I get it, he's got talent, brains, work ethic, character, etc. He's likely to be a pretty good QB. I just don't see the elite level, franchise-core player yet. Does it bother ANYBODY that he's already torn his ACL? For someone that will likely rely on his athleticism as an upgrade over what we have now at QB, this concerns me. When I hear people talk about trading up for him, that alone is reason enough for me to pass on trading up. This team has so many holes all over the place and to waste assets is just mind-boggling. Trading up makes no sense to me. If he's there at #4, I would consider taking him, don't get me wrong. I'm not anti-RG3.

If you plug RG3 into McCoy's spot with the same roster of offensive line and wide receivers, I just don't see that much of an upgrade. It's not a knock on RG3, it's a knock on how bad some of our offensive players are. I'll probably get skewered alive and laughed off of these boards, for saying this, but I would rather upgrade more of the roster as a whole and give Colt another season. If Colt didn't lead the team in those games against New England, New Orleans, and the New York Jets the season before last, I would be 1000% on board with giving up on him. I'll definitely get eviscerated for admitting that I'd almost rather them trade down at #4 if RG3 is there with Washington or Miami.

The other part of my stance is that I feel as if the majority of Browns' fans are overly impatient and are going after the shiny new toy when it comes to RG3. I know the Browns have been bad for a long time and it frustrates the hell out of me too. But an endless carousel of QBs and head coaches is never going to make things get better. I would like to see what could happen with a little stability, a little continuity. I'm just not willing to go all in for RG3, have him bust, and watch as the rebuild takes another 2 years (especially if we give up the farm for him).

I have an unpopular opinion as far as the consensus, I'm prepared for the flaming. I just try to look at as many different viewpoints as I can when it comes to investments into this team's future.

Not going to flame you. Just want to make a few points:

1.) If H&H really think that RGIII can be a true franchise QB, an extra pick, even a late first-round pick, is not too large of a price to pay. At the end of the day a trade is only as good or as bad as the player you're trading for. If we do trade #4 and #22 for RGIII and he turns out to be all that, in a few years no one will remember what we gave up to get him- just like no one remembered the high price we paid for Bernie Kosar when he was taking us to the AFC Championship Game on a yearly basis.

2.) Re: If you plug RG3 into McCoy's spot with the same roster of offensive line and wide receivers, I just don't see that much of an upgrade. It's not a knock on RG3, it's a knock on how bad some of our offensive players are. Why is McCoy exempt from the list of bad offensive players? We could just as easily say we're not sure what we have in our skill guys because they don't have a QB who can put them in a position to make plays. Going back to Kosar, I like to use this example: how good would Brian Brennan and Reggie Langhorne have looked had it been Paul McDonald throwing them the ball instead of Bernie?

3.) I'm all for stability as well. But the best way to achieve stability at QB is to find a guy who can actually play that position. That's why we haven't had stability at QB- we haven't had good players, in part because we haven't invested the resources needed to get the best results. It's been a parade of middle-round draft picks, washed-up veteran FAs and in the case of Derek Anderson, a waiver-wire pickup. You don't stick with an undersized third-round pick with zero upside for the sake of stability. Find a guy with the tools, mental and physical, and build around him. That's how you find stability.