The Unofficial Mock Drafts Thread (SI has us trading up, but see what we give)

[Triplethreat]

I don't see the point of trading down. I feel we should just take the BPA at each spot we are picking.

At 2 BPA is not RGIII

 

[BooyaCS]

At 2 BPA is not RGIII

Then who is?

 

[Triplethreat]

Kalil, DeCastro, Claiborne are all better players.

 

[AZ_]

Decastro and Claiborne

I mean I literally laughed out loud...who else?

 

[Triplethreat]

Decastro and Claiborne

I mean I literally laughed out loud...who else?

So you agree with Kalil?...

 

[BooyaCS]

Kalil, DeCastro, Claiborne are all better players.

Claiborne is raw, Decastro is a guard and Kalil is a LT that we do not need (and probably cannot play RT).

I would put Luck at 1
Kalil at 2
RG3 at 3
Richardson at 4
Rief at 5
Claiborne at 6
Coples at 7
Blackmon at 8

I don't see how Claiborne is a better player than RG3.

 

[MoFlo]

Then why should we even bother?

They are going to make the final decision in the end and its unlikely they'll take a peek here.

Guess we should retire the forum huh.

There is absolutely no reason to not pick him.

That is exactly what you said, which led me to believe that if you were H & H, you would take the risk even if you weren't sure he'd be a franchise guy.

If that's not the case, then you weren't very clear. If that is the case, that's the argument I'm making. If I'm H & H and I'm not sure he's going to be a franchise guy, I don't pick him. Period.

 

[UDcleveland]

If we do end up with RGIII, it will be interesting to see if the national media starts giving some love to the Browns, or if they'll take the "Cleveland's cursed and RGIII is screwed now" route. Would be nice to get a Monday nighter at least. While I'm definitely warming up to the possibility of getting RGIII, I still wouldn't trade up for him. But then again, I don't think we'll have to.

 

[Sock]

If I remember correctly Luck has the playsheet on his arm like a lot of QBs do. In that case he gets a set of numbers from the sideline and then calls that set in the huddle. At the line he can change off of play 1 or keep the first play called in the huddle.

Also RG3 has been under center at Baylor. Also Art Briles was at Houston with Kevin Kolb. Kolb was able to somewhat make the transition from this offense to the NFL.

Then there is this little tidbit i found

Stanford head coach David Shaw is on the campaign trail again.

In a pair of national news conferences on Tuesday, Shaw picked up where he left off after an impassioned plea last week -- once again calling quarterback Andrew Luck the best player in the country and styling him as the "ideal" football player.

"Andrew Luck is the best player in the nation," Shaw reiterated. "Take whatever you want from that. If you want to go on stats, great, whatever. That's fine. People that know football, people that watch football, people that study football ... on the quarterback wish list, every single check mark is a plus. He's the only guy I've seen that has everything. Mobility, intellect, leadership, toughness, arm strength, quick release, decisive, scrambles, great in the pocket and out of the pocket.


" ... To say that Andrew is just a quarterback I think is misleading. Andrew doesn't go to the line of scrimmage, do a double count, then look to the sideline and get what play they should run. He does it all at the line of scrimmage. He's not a running back that runs good behind a good line. He's not just a receiver that goes out there and runs the plays that are called. This guy is at the line of scrimmage deciding which plays we should run."

After his national teleconference, he prepared a slide show for local media that was also streaming over the Internet to illustrate his points. He showed a very small portion of his call sheet and spit out a typical play call:

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"There are three play calls in there," Shaw explained. "He calls that in the huddle, then decides which of those plays to get us to. If none of those plays are good against the look that he sees, he audibles and gets us to a fourth play that he calls at the line. In my nine years in the NFL, I never scouted a guy, never heard of a guy that did this much at the line of scrimmage."

He cited stats -- the fact that Stanford leads the nation in fewest negative plays and credited that to Luck's ability to read the defense and call the right play and formation. He pointed to Luck in the red zone this season -- 26 touchdowns and zero interceptions, noting that Stanford leads the nation in red zone production because of Luck. He referenced that Luck is the only quarterback in college football history to go 3-0 against USC and Notre Dame in his career.

And then he singled out Stanford's 65-21 win over then-No. 22 Washington -- where the Cardinal ran for a school record 446 yards. Luck was 16-of-21 for 169 yards with two touchdown passes, his lowest passing total of the season. As Luck came off the field, Shaw apologized for not getting him more passing yards.

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"He said 'Coach, I don't care about that. But I think I just played my best game,'" Shaw said. "His mentality isn't let me do what I can to promote myself and get more highlights on 'SportsCenter.' His mentality is, I want to be a great football player and I want to put my team in the best position to win games. And he did it the entire game, getting us to the exact right run call every single play. He said 'Coach, I saw it all. I knew what they were going to. I knew the fronts. I knew which plays to go to versus which looks and he was great the entire day. That's the mentality of a great football player."

Shaw said his plan all along was to talk about Luck during this period. With the dead time between Stanford's next bowl game and no opponent to speak of, he said this would be the week to talk up his guy.

When asked why a "traditional" campaign hadn't been run for Luck all year, he said Luck's actions speak for themselves.

"The campaign for Andrew Luck started the day he decided to come back," Shaw said. "That didn't come from us. That came from the press. That came from the nation. Here's a guy that is the face of college football for the entire offseason. He's the face of college football when there is scandal and upheaval. He was the one positive story for the entire offseason. He was the one mainstay on 'SportsCenter' and all of the big magazines. He's the one guy that has not disappointed.

"He is the most scrutinized player in college football this year. From everything he does to what he does on campus to his classes. Here's a guy that still comes through. Has a phenomenal year. Throws for 3,000 yards. Throws for a bunch of touchdowns and leads us to an 11-1 record ... everything he does is as well or better than anybody I've seen. He's that good. None of it had to be fabricated. It's just who he is."

I'm not sure what to do with that quote. Its just saying that Baylor has a balance attack. The linemen has a 3 point stance instead of the 2 which helps in the running game. They run quite a lot and that is with the help of Griffin scrambling.


I watched about 3 Baylor games this season. I dont have the specific stats but he is in shotgun an awful lot. Yes he's been under center, like what, 3-4 plays a game? That is not enough.

 

[Sock]

That is exactly what you said, which led me to believe that if you were H & H, you would take the risk even if you weren't sure he'd be a franchise guy.

If that's not the case, then you weren't very clear. If that is the case, that's the argument I'm making. If I'm H & H and I'm not sure he's going to be a franchise guy, I don't pick him. Period.

First off, I like RG3. If I'm them, I'll pick him. However I wont pick a guy like Tannehill because I dont like him.

So i'm not sure what you're talking about.

 

[AZ_]

So you agree with Kalil?...

Yes, but BPA only extends to positions which do not have a Pro Bowl player blocking him at the position at which he's most valuable.

Claiborne and DeCastro are still really funny to me...I guess maybe their floor is better than RG3, but from a prospect perspective youre kidding yourself if you actually believe that.

 

[Sock]

I'm probably the highest on DeCastro on this board and I would only take him in the teens.

 

[BooyaCS]

I'm not sure what to do with that quote. Its just saying that Baylor has a balance attack. The linemen has a 3 point stance instead of the 2 which helps in the running game. They run quite a lot and that is with the help of Griffin scrambling.


I watched about 3 Baylor games this season. I dont have the specific stats but he is in shotgun an awful lot. Yes he's been under center, like what, 3-4 plays a game? That is not enough.

About RG3:

Yes but Baylor doesn't run a spread option like Auburn did. Baylor's spread offense is only a spread in that they are out of the gun 75% of the time. The majority of the time he was in the shot gun. However it was a read and react offense. He had to read the defense and react to their alignment sometimes going through 2, 3 even 4 reads to get the match up that Baylor wanted.

While he wasn't a pure dropback under center QB he has a lot of the stuff you look for in a QB. Progressions and reading a defense. Not only that he also had the quick throws and screens.

If you want to think about it Baylor's variation on the spread is very close to the WCO except a WCO run predominately from the shot gun.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

At 2 BPA is not RGIII

99% percent of draft experts disagree with you. The only guy (besides Luck) who I might give the nod to is Kalil, and it would be absolutely asinine to take him. Unless of course you want to take a LT in the top 5 and then move him to RT.

Wait, no, that'd still be asinine.

 

[Phills14]

Kalil, DeCastro, Claiborne are all better players.

You think a guard is the 2nd best player or at least top 4? Wow.