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2012 NFL Draft Rumor Thread

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MoDelonte said:
Here's my one and only question regarding Richardson: Can he be a workhorse RB? How many carries can he take over the course of the NFL season? You've got to take that into consideration if you take him 4 overall. If the answer is yes, then I have no problem with snagging up at 4.
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Are you asking if he is an every down back? Can he carry the mail for a full season? I think b00bie answered that question 20 pages ago :)
 
CavsRules said:
Not to mention Richardson rarely fumbles.

Love the fact he holds onto the ball, because turnovers kill offensive drives. Adrian Peterson has been my favorite player since he was in college, but he fumbles a lot more than he should, and that's one major thing Richardson doesn't do.

Just more food for thought..
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MoHard rarely fumbled in college if at all. NFL is a whole different game.
 
KCOTT said:
And looking back at draft histories because I was curious, the following running backs were taken in the Top 7 since 1999: Darren McFadden, Adrian Peterson, Reggie Bush, Ronnie Brown, Cedric Benson, Cadillac Williams, LaDainian Thomlinson, Jamal Lewis, Thomas Jones, Edgerrin James, and Ricky Williams. That's a decent track record. The Browns had the opportunity to draft several of those guys, most notably Peterson, Thomlinson, Lewis and James. We're bound to get something special with Richardson. Let's finally get a perennial Pro Bowler that the city can identify with that isn't a lineman or a punt returner.
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For top 10
Reggie Bush - bust
Cedric Benson - bust
Jones - bust
James - bust of all
McFadden - too early to say
Cad Williams - injury prone bust

Now that you mention it I'll take a running back elsewhere.
 
The Optomist said:
For top 10
Reggie Bush - bust
Cedric Benson - bust
Jones - bust
James - bust of all
McFadden - too early to say
Cad Williams - injury prone bust

Now that you mention it I'll take a running back elsewhere.
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You're calling Edge- he of the borderline HOF career- a bust?
 
Jigo_oi said:
You're calling Edge- he of the borderline HOF career- a bust?
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He had someone named Peyton manning, when he left the Colts he sucked. Manning made everyone better, but even if I took him off that's still half and Ronnie brown is another injury prone guy. The shelf life of these guys aren't good.

For the top 4 pick I expect greatness. At hb and wr it just seems like there's a lot of underrated guys in the later rounds. Burner Turner, Foster, ect...
 
The Optomist said:
He had someone named Peyton manning, when he left the Colts he sucked. Manning made everyone better, but even if I took him off that's still half and Ronnie brown is another injury prone guy. The shelf life of these guys aren't good.
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You're copping out right now. Acknowledge that you called a guy that may make the HOF a bust because you failed to do research and then we can all move forward.

That was a ridiculous comment. And the "had a guy named peyton manning" thing doesn't fix it. He was GREAT when he was with the Colts and no other RB that's played with Manning has had 1/2 the success he had there.

He didn't suck when he left the Colts, he was actually pretty good.
 
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The Optomist said:
For top 10
Reggie Bush - bust
Cedric Benson - bust
Jones - bust
James - bust of all
McFadden - too early to say
Cad Williams - injury prone bust

Now that you mention it I'll take a running back elsewhere.
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I agree with Jigo here. That's a ridiculous statement. Edge went to Arizona at the end of his career and was ok. Guess what, exact same thing happened to Emmitt Smith. Is he a bust?

Reggie Bush- effective player but not what people thought (every down back, dynamic playmaker)
Ced Benson- Was a bust in Chicago but went to Cincy and became an above average back. Not worth a high pick but his talent on the field once he got his head straight was very solid. Character problems derailed his career.
Thomas Jones- 10,000+ yds over 12 years. Yea I disagree here too
Edgerrin James- c'mon man
McFadden- True difference maker but injuries are disrupting his career. Can't blame people who get injured without a history of injuries. Still can be back and be great
Cadillac Williams- Had a good rookie year (1100 yds) but after that he hasn't been good. Here you can make an argument.
 
Edge James was a fantastic player. Joseph Addai also had a player named Peyton Manning and he wasn't anywhere close to as good as Edge.

James was decent after leaving Indy, but at that time all the carries caught up with him. I don't think you'll find anyone claiming a stud RB will play until he's 35, but I will take eight elite seasons out of Trent without a second thought.
 
I didn't even get into Thomas Jones, because I was waiting for Optomist to apologize so that I can send it to my brother Edgerrin.

My cousin Thomas Jones had a slow start but once he came into his own, he became a very good RB, and he's had a solid career.
 
Jigo_oi said:
You're copping out right now. Acknowledge that you called a guy that may make the HOF a bust because you failed to do research and then we can all move forward.

That was a ridiculous comment. And the "had a guy named peyton manning" thing doesn't fix it. He was GREAT when he was with the Colts and no other RB that's played with Manning has had 1/2 the success he had there.

He didn't suck when he left the Colts, he was actually pretty good.
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Sorry I was too busy watching two girls one cup before my daily commute to work.
 
The Optomist said:
Sorry I was too busy watching two girls one cup before my daily commute to work.
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That will suffice. Thank you.

I think we're all ready to move forward now and turn the page on this sordid chapter in your posting history.
 
Edgerrin James has a shot at going into the HOF. I don't think he gets in, but he sure as hell wasn't a bust.
 
Richfield 4ever said:
Can we just put a couple things to rest regarding Weeden?

First, his health. Yes, his baseball career ended due to a shoulder injury. That was in 2006. He became the starter at OSU in 2010 and played all of that year and all of 2011 without shoulder trouble. Pitching a baseball is a much different action than throwing a football. You use different muscles, your arm moves differently, and you don't throw a football nearly as hard as you throw a baseball. Every team will evaluate his shoulder to make sure it is sound. I have seen no evidence to the contrary.

Second, his arm strength. I encourage the detractors to post scouting reports that say his arm strength is mediocre. Every report I have seen says it is one of his best features. Scouts, Inc. gave him a "1" rating for arm strength, meaning he is exceptional in that regard. Greg Cosell noted that he has great arm strength on throws over the middle.

Some of the negatives are valid. He does have problems facing pressure. He has accuracy problems on throws to the sidelines. He needs to improve his footwork.

He will also be a 29-year-old rookie. But he isn't the first QB to start his NFL career late. Roger Staubach went on to have a Hall of Fame career after starting his at 27 years old.

While Weeden is not a perfect prospect, I would have no issue with us taking him in the third. The second round is a bit high for him, but I suppose I would be OK with him there, as well. No. 22 overall is too high for him, though.
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saying a QB has problems facing pressure is like saying a car X doesnt get good gas mileage when you go fast. absolutely valid no doubt about it, but its true for every QB/car out there. the question is to what extent. For weeden I would give him a B-. Yeah okay he can improve but in comparison to another oklahoma QB (laundry) or colt he absolutely blows both of them out of the water.

I will say if you could select him as far as where he grades out he is probably a late second, however he is a QB. If the browns pick him in the first (22nd or before)) im not going to jump off a bridge like a lot of people on here but going to give it a head scratch at 37 though ill accept it.

all of that said i cant be the only one sitting here dreaming the browns are going to take Richardson/Claiborne at 4, a OL at 22nd, a WR/RB at 37 (depending first pick), then spending the rest of the draft working on the linebackers and finding another pash rusher, and taking a flyer on a QB.
 
hey guys did anybody here kiper on mike and mike this morning on tannehill? he basically ripped us and said that tannehil would be a disaster if he came here because he would have no weapons around him. was talking about how colt had no weapons around him last year and it would be the same this year if week took tannehill at 4. he said that he would be forced to be the franchise guy right away and stated that he thinks that tannehill needs to sit a couple years. mentioned that miami would be the perfect fit for him.

all of this is true and I agree with kiper.
 
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