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2012 NFL Draft Rumor Thread

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once you trade down he's gone (i don't buy Tampa and even St. Louis passing on him)...so if your only reason to stay in the top 10 is Trent i doubt he'll be there anyway.

if the Eagles add a 2013 2nd rounder i would do the deal....i'm sorry i love Trent but with all those picks we could build a dynasty

I don't see St. Louis taking him. They have Jackson and have much bigger needs at WR and on defense. Trent is a luxury they cannot afford.

Tampa is a legit threat to take him, but I cannot see them taking him over Claiborne. Their current CBs are ancient (Ronde Barber), going to prison (Talib), and terrible (Eric Wright). They finished fourth from the bottom last year in opposing QB rating (97.2 if I recall). They also hired Claiborne's college position coach to be their DB coach this year. Blount has his problems, but he still has value. They would be much better served to take Claiborne at 5 and take a smaller, faster back in the second round and go with a committee approach next year.
 
15 22 37 47 and 51? This team needs a lot, and I'd take that in a second, tbh.
 
I like Weeden but I've said on this board many times I think the best place for Weeden would be a trade BACK into the 2nd round using our 3rd and 4th or 5th rounder to get the deal done or if we trade down and pick up an extra 2. I feel the price at that point is certainly worth it. I would have trouble if we take him at 37 without getting the offensive weapons we need first (RB, WR AND OT). The only way I'd be ok with us taking Weeden at 37 is if we trade back into rd 2 to get a guy like Bobby Massie at OT. I would not want Weeden in the 1st round as I don't think his value is there and I don't think anyone is going to take him until 44 at the earliest.
 
KC Joyner's take on Ryan Tannehill vs Brandon Weeden
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draf...-weeden-better-qb-prospect-ryan-tannehill-nfl
Maintaining a rational perspective this time of year is an invaluable trait, but it seems that perspective is being lost when it comes to measuring the relative draft day merits of Oklahoma State Cowboys quarterback Brandon Weeden and Texas A&M Aggies passer Ryan Tannehill.

Tannehill's huge edge in age (he will be 24 years old at the end of the 2012 NFL season, while Weeden will be 29) is a primary reason he has been vaulted over Weeden on many draft boards, but a variety of metrics reveal that Weeden is the better QB prospect and more than makes up for the calendar difference.

Overall metrics

Let's start by reviewing their 2011 route depth metrics in contests against BCS conference-caliber foes (sans the Kansas game for Weeden).

Here are Tannehill's numbers.
Ryan Tannehill's 2011 stats
Route Depth Comp Att Yds TD Int Pen Pen Yds YPA
Short (1-10 yards) 203 266 1545 13 1 2 -12 5.7
Medium (11-19 yards) 61 104 1016 5 6 0 0 9.8
Deep (20-29 yards) 11 35 332 4 3 1 15 9.6
Bomb (30+ yards) 5 23 267 3 1 1 15 11.8
Other (throwaways, etc.) 1 41 3 0 3 0 0 0.1
Total 281 469 3163 25 14 4 18 6.7
Vertical (11+ yards) 77 162 1615 12 10 2 30 10.0
Stretch Vertical (20+ yards) 16 58 599 7 4 2 30 10.5

And here are Weeden's.

Brandon Weeden's 2011 stats (sans Kansas game)
Route Depth Comp Att Yds TD Int Pen Pen Yds YPA
Short (1-10 yards) 250 299 1887 10 1 3 11 6.3
Medium (11-19 yards) 63 100 1147 13 4 2 13 11.4
Deep (20-29 yards) 16 28 539 2 0 1 15 19.1
Bomb (30+ yards) 3 16 103 1 1 1 15 6.9
Other (throwaways, etc.) 0 17 0 0 2 0 0 0.0
Total 332 460 3676 26 8 7 54 8.0
Vertical (11+ yards) 82 144 1789 16 5 4 43 12.4
Stretch Vertical (20+ yards) 19 44 642 3 1 2 30 14.6

Weeden beat Tannehill in yards per attempt (YPA) at every route depth level except for the bomb pass category, and his 4 YPA lead in stretch vertical passes shows that he was still more productive on aerials deep downfield.

Consistency

Weeden was also much more consistent than Tannehill.

Tannehill completed 70 percent of his passes in two of his 2011 contests against BCS conference teams. Weeden topped that mark six times.

Tannehill posted a YPA total of 8 yards or higher in three games. Weeden did that five times.

Tannehill notched a passer rating mark of 140 or higher three times (if the Northwestern game in which he came up just short of this level is counted in his favor). Weeden reached that mark nine times and actually only had two games in which he did not achieve this goal.

Career growth

Tannehill started on a high note in his first three starts of the 2010 season (switching over from WR), but when the competition level increased dramatically over the last three games of the season (versus Nebraska, at Texas, versus LSU in the Cotton Bowl), he went 55-for-94 for 504 yards with three touchdowns and three interceptions. That equates to an abysmal 5.4 YPA and an equally bad 107.7 passer rating.The late-season swoon for Tannehill recurred in 2011 during the last seven BCS-caliber games of that season, as he posted a YPA mark of 6.1 or less five times. Take the contest against the abysmal Kansas Jayhawks' defense (ranked No. 118 in passer rating allowed) out of his totals during that time frame and Tannehill had a 5.9 YPA and a 113.8 passer rating, both of which are quite comparable to the aforementioned poor statistical marks he had in 2010.

To get an idea of how much Weeden's passing performance grew from 2010 to 2011, note that he topped the 140-passer rating mark in only five BCS games in the 2010 campaign; in 2011 he did it nine times.

Ability to raise the level of play of those around him

This factor is huge for Weeden, because contrary to popular belief, Justin Blackmon did not have a dominant 2011 campaign. This was a primary reason Blackmon ended up ranking sixth in my recent review of the top 10 wide receiver prospects in this year's NFL draft class.

Blackmon's overall YPA numbers were more than three yards off of his dominant junior season totals yet Weeden was able to keep the Cowboys' offense scoring points at an even higher rate.

Tannehill did face something of the same issue with one of his star wideouts, as Jeff Fuller regressed from a 9.1 YPA against BCS teams in 2010 to a 6.5 YPA mark in that category in 2011, but a lot of that credit has to go to Ryan Swope. Swope set Aggies single-season totals in receiving and receiving yards last year and established himself as the team's true No. 1 wideout. Weeden did not have the luxury of an alternate No.1 wide receiver (Josh Cooper, the Cowboys' second-best wideout, is merely a possession receiver), and thus his achievement here still ends up being superior.

Big game performance

The most disturbing part of this analysis is that Tannehill fell apart when the Aggies needed him the most. The most egregious example is when he posted a career-low 80.45 passer rating in Texas A&M's farewell Big 12 contest against the archrival Texas Longhorns. That passer rating was not a statistical anomaly, either, as Tannehill made a slew of passing errors and looked rattled by the Longhorns' defense.Weeden did not have a dominant statistical performance in the Cowboys' biggest game of the year, a blowout victory over the archrival Oklahoma Sooners in a Bedlam game that decided the winner of the Big 12 conference, but he had zero interceptions and zero bad decisions in that contest (a bad decision being a mental error, such as a dropped interception, that leads either to a turnover or a near turnover). That stands in stark contrast to the three interceptions he posted against the Sooners in 2010 and again shows how Weeden was able to grow with experience.

Age isn't a big issue

Trent Dilfer made a terrific point when he noted in a recent Insider article that NFL teams rarely think of their quarterbacks along the lines of a 10-year plan.

History affords many cases of elite quarterback play over the age of 29. According to the seasonal NFL YPA leaders chart on pro-football-reference.com, 47 out of the 95 quarterbacks who have led or tied for the lead in that category since 1936 have been 29 years or older.

Biography

In some ways this may be the most important factor of all.

Tannehill wasn't able to win the Aggies' starting job in 2008 and was only moved back into that role two a half years later when Jerrod Johnson's injuries and erratic play left the Texas A&M coaches with little choice.

By contrast, Weeden came into a program that had a record-setting starter in Zac Robinson, so he had to wait until Robinson graduated to get a shot at the job. Once he received that opportunity, Weeden won the gig and dominated from day one, breaking Robinson's marks and winning all-conference honors.

This leads to an obvious question. If Tannehill had trouble winning over his collegiate coaches less than two years ago and his play since that time has been inconsistent at best and Weeden's path has been pretty much the exact opposite, why are people banking on Tannehill as the better prospect?

A five-year age edge is certainly significant, but when the entirety of the evidence is taken into account, Weeden is by far the better quarterback prospect.
 
Alabama star Trent Richardson reportedly grants teen's prom wish

Published April 13, 2012

FoxNews.com

A cancer-stricken Alabama teen is going to the prom with the biggest man on campus - ex-Crimson Tide and future NFL star Trent Richardson.

Courtney Alvis, 17, began receiving chemotherapy treatment as a junior at Hueytown High School in Hueytown, Ala., and she's now determined to make it to the big dance -- but not without some apprehension, MyFoxAl.com reports.

"I wasn't comfortable with my body and of course I didn't have long pretty hair to fix and also I didn't have a date," she told the website.

That led Alvis' uncle -- who has some connections to University of Alabama -- to contact Richardson, the Heisman trophy finalist who is expected to be the first running back selected in the 2012 NFL Draft. In football-mad Alabama, there is no bigger star.

"I'm really excited but I'm also nervous," Alvis said. "I've watched Trent all the time on TV and he's going to be coming to prom with me."

Courtney's mother, Stephanie, said seeing the regrowth of daughter's hair and her beautiful gown has meant so much, but it's Courtney's glimpse of freedom that means so much to her.

"She's walking without a walker right now and she's planning on dancing Saturday night," Alvis' mother said. "You can't get any better than that."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/...test=latestnews&intcmp=features#ixzz1rw50QeFo
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/...en-prom-wish/?test=latestnews&intcmp=features

Might not be football related, but thought it was a good story to share.
 
if we do draft Richardson anybody think there's a chance we bring in someone like benson or addai to back him up?
 
So we might trade out of the top 10?

Isn't the system built for struggling teams to acquire talent by getting them higher draft picks?

"Cleveland Browns: Play like a 4-12 team, draft like a 12-4 team..."
 
So we might trade out of the top 10?

Isn't the system built for struggling teams to acquire talent by getting them higher draft picks?

"Cleveland Browns: Play like a 4-12 team, draft like a 12-4 team..."

That's just silly. You trade down to get more talent because of the number of positions that need to be filled. If this was the NBA, you might have a point. But, unlike the NBA, you have to start 22 players plus a kicker and punter. That doesn't even count the other members of special teams, or the need for depth at the various positions. Your point completely ignores the fact that you are ending up drafting multiple players instead of just one in this scenario. You are not drafting like a 12-4 team.
 
That's just silly. You trade down to get more talent because of the number of positions that need to be filled. If this was the NBA, you might have a point. But, unlike the NBA, you have to start 22 players plus a kicker and punter. That doesn't even count the other members of special teams, or the need for depth at the various positions. Your point completely ignores the fact that you are ending up drafting multiple players instead of just one in this scenario. You are not drafting like a 12-4 team.

Except this wouldn't be the first time we've recently traded down...

And by your logic, we'd hit some gems on those 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounders. Not a strong suit of our recent draft history... I just want BPA to start filling in some holes, not a bunch of "hope this works out" later round projects...
 
If anything is clear, its that Browns fans popular choices are not who we get. Curry, Berry, and AJ Green ring any bells? Of course all of those players were simply drafted ahead of the Browns pick. Therefore its obvious that Richardson will now be drafted at 3. :chuckles:
 
For top 10
Reggie Bush - bust
Cedric Benson - bust
Jones - bust
James - bust of all
McFadden - too early to say
Cad Williams - injury prone bust

Now that you mention it I'll take a running back elsewhere.

quite a reach
 
Except this wouldn't be the first time we've recently traded down...

And by your logic, we'd hit some gems on those 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounders. Not a strong suit of our recent draft history...

So, we haven't even collected all the talent from the last trade down yet. Plus, I want a first included to trade down out of the top 10 this year. I didn't say I'd take what was reportedly being offered. But, I have posted multiple times that I feel it would be in the team's best interests to trade down. They have far too many needs for this pick to put them over the top. If Griffin was available there, then I'd feel differently. But, we already know that will never occur. The players at this pick are not ideal for us.
 
I wouldn't do the trade with Philly. If they gave us next years 1st rounder instead of the late 2nd rounder this season, I would do it though.
 
Except this wouldn't be the first time we've recently traded down...

And by your logic, we'd hit some gems on those 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounders. Not a strong suit of our recent draft history... I just want BPA to start filling in some holes, not a bunch of "hope this works out" later round projects...

Sheard and Little were second-round picks last year and were very good as rookies. TJ Ward was a second-round pick in 2010. You can't hold the sins of Phil Savage against our current regime. Heckert has proven here and in Philly that he is a very capable drafter.
 

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