2012 NFL Draft Rumor Thread

[Soda]

And by your logic, we'd hit some gems on those 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounders. Not a strong suit of our recent draft history... I just want BPA to start filling in some holes, not a bunch of "hope this works out" later round projects...

You can't count wins and losses in the later rounds by who is a pro-bowl caliber player. The majority of your team is going to be depth/special teams/solid starters. Hence, the latter part of the draft is often used to make that happen.

Colt McCoy (3) is an above-average back-up QB from the 3rd round = depth
Shawn Lauvao (3) is an improving starter at RG = starter
Larry Asante (5) = bust
Clifton Geathers (6) = not on the Browns/bust
Carlton Mitchell (6) = bust. Can't see him turning a corner now. (Hope he does)
Eric Hagg (7) = Played in 10 games last year. Looked decent. Value found here.
Jason Pinkston (5) = Starting LG. Improved vastly last year, played all 16 games. Gem.
Buster Skrine (5) = Nickel CB. Played in all 16 games last year. 1 pick. Definite value here.
Owen Marecic (4) = Starting FB. Disappointing year last year, but expected to bounce back this year. Incomplete.
Jordan Cameron (4) = Developmental TE. Played in his 2nd year at TE last year. Jury still out, but immense potential. Incomplete.

Everyone drafted by the current front office in the 1st and 2nd rounds are solid players on the team currently, less Hardesty.

Late rounds don't sound like such a weak suit of this current front office.

 

[Phills14]

I wouldn't do the trade with Philly. If they gave us next years 1st rounder instead of the late 2nd rounder this season, I would do it though.

I think I'd agree with this.

 

[Prime 1978]

I wouldn't do the trade with Philly. If they gave us next years 1st rounder instead of the late 2nd rounder this season, I would do it though.

I'd actually require both picks and a first. There are two reasons for this.
1. If you go by the draft value charts we'd be giving up a pick valued at 1800 and receiving back 1807 worht of picks. Problem with that is draft picks are valued a lot higher now with the rookie wage slotting system. So with that being the case, early picks have to be valued a lot higher now. You are getting the same caliber of player early in the draft but for 20-30 million less in guaranteed value.

2. There's always a premium to pay for QB's. Being that Philly is supposed to be targeting Tannehill, I'd make them pay more just like Washington did with RG3. Granted Tannehill isn't the talent that Griffin is and neither is the deal that we'd be getting for Tennehill.


So with those factors, I'd only move trade with Philly if they give us 15 46 51 and 2013 #1 pick.

 

[chumpclassic]

If anything is clear, its that Browns fans popular choices are not who we get. Curry, Berry, and AJ Green ring any bells? Of course all of those players were simply drafted ahead of the Browns pick. Therefore its obvious that Richardson will now be drafted at 3. :chuckles:

Jinx already hit with RG3 this year. We're good to go on whoever else we want

 

[Gimme Some Mo]

I'd actually require both picks and a first. There are two reasons for this.
1. If you go by the draft value charts we'd be giving up a pick valued at 1800 and receiving back 1807 worht of picks. Problem with that is draft picks are valued a lot higher now with the rookie wage slotting system. So with that being the case, early picks have to be valued a lot higher now. You are getting the same caliber of player early in the draft but for 20-30 million less in guaranteed value.

2. There's always a premium to pay for QB's. Being that Philly is supposed to be targeting Tannehill, I'd make them pay more just like Washington did with RG3. Granted Tannehill isn't the talent that Griffin is and neither is the deal that we'd be getting for Tennehill.


So with those factors, I'd only move trade with Philly if they give us 15 46 51 and 2013 #1 pick.

That would be ideal, but I don't see Philly giving that up for Ryan Tannehill, especially since they aren't absolutely desperate for a QB. Every scenario is different. The trade value chart is pretty useless IMO. It depends on the different players in each draft.

Some years, the player you get at #4 could be 10000x better than they player you think you could get at #15. Other years, you may think you can get a player at 15 that is pretty similar to the player you could get at #4. If you believe that is the case this season, you make the deal.

 

[Surge]

You can't count wins and losses in the later rounds by who is a pro-bowl caliber player. The majority of your team is going to be depth/special teams/solid starters. Hence, the latter part of the draft is often used to make that happen.

Colt McCoy (3) is an above-average back-up QB from the 3rd round = depth
Shawn Lauvao (3) is an improving starter at RG = starter
Larry Asante (5) = bust
Clifton Geathers (6) = not on the Browns/bust
Carlton Mitchell (6) = bust. Can't see him turning a corner now. (Hope he does)
Eric Hagg (7) = Played in 10 games last year. Looked decent. Value found here.
Jason Pinkston (5) = Starting LG. Improved vastly last year, played all 16 games. Gem.
Buster Skrine (5) = Nickel CB. Played in all 16 games last year. 1 pick. Definite value here.
Owen Marecic (4) = Starting FB. Disappointing year last year, but expected to bounce back this year. Incomplete.
Jordan Cameron (4) = Developmental TE. Played in his 2nd year at TE last year. Jury still out, but immense potential. Incomplete.

Everyone drafted by the current front office in the 1st and 2nd rounds are solid players on the team currently, less Hardesty.

Late rounds don't sound like such a weak suit of this current front office.

And the current team is terrible, so your rankings are skewed a bit by our lower tier of overall effectiveness.

I think I'm being cornered a bit as only wanting BPA, no matter what. If they truly feel that is the best move, ok I guess. I just think the impact of actually using a pick on one of the players that will be there at 4 will impove the team a bit more than extra 3rd rounders... Just my humble opinion...

 

[Scholar]

And the current team is terrible, so your rankings are skewed a bit by our lower tier of overall effectiveness.

I think I'm being cornered a bit as only wanting BPA, no matter what. If they truly feel that is the best move, ok I guess. I just think the impact of actually using a pick on one of the players that will be there at 4 will impove the team a bit more than extra 3rd rounders... Just my humble opinion...

Ummm... I don't think anyone here is in favor of us just getting 3rd rounders to trade down. In fact, the supposedly trade offer was two second rounders. Most of us want a first rounder included to make that trade.

 

[Soda]

And the current team is terrible, so your rankings are skewed a bit by our lower tier of overall effectiveness.

I think I'm being cornered a bit as only wanting BPA, no matter what. If they truly feel that is the best move, ok I guess. I just think the impact of actually using a pick on one of the players that will be there at 4 will impove the team a bit more than extra 3rd rounders... Just my humble opinion...

Hey, I want Richardson, so I don't think we're far off.

I just get a bit irritated when the front office is looked at as poor at drafting. They have actually been above average at drafting. The issue is that the Browns have drafted defense heavy and have not hit on offensive play-makers. The defense was 10th in the league last year, indicative of an improved team. The offense was horrible, which balances out the team into a bad overall team still. Yes, that falls on the front office, but I don't see how it is possible to repair a perennially awful team in two drafts. I am looking at this year as a pivotal point in the "re-build" by this front office. If they make the trade down, I'll be okay with it, but will still be upset to see Richardson fall into someone else's roster.

 

[Surge]

Hey, I want Richardson, so I don't think we're far off.

I just get a bit irritated when the front office is looked at as poor at drafting. They have actually been above average at drafting. The issue is that the Browns have drafted defense heavy and have not hit on offensive play-makers. The defense was 10th in the league last year, indicative of an improved team. The offense was horrible, which balances out the team into a bad overall team still. Yes, that falls on the front office, but I don't see how it is possible to repair a perennially awful team in two drafts. I am looking at this year as a pivotal point in the "re-build" by this front office. If they make the trade down, I'll be okay with it, but will still be upset to see Richardson fall into someone else's roster.

I'm not holding H&H accountable for what they can't control. They are doing well by my standards, which is why I will go along with whatever they ultimatley decide.

It just pains me to think about trading so far down again, and watching playmakers with star potential fall into other people laps. Meanwhile we are only slightly improving on what we have, if we're lucky...

 

[AZ_]

For top 10
Reggie Bush - bust
Cedric Benson - bust
Jones - bust
James - bust of all
McFadden - too early to say
Cad Williams - injury prone bust

Now that you mention it I'll take a running back elsewhere.

192 pages worth of material.

Congrats, you've secured the nomination for worst post in the whole damn thing.

 

[tristan+kyrie=$]

Draft Trent and be done with it...The browns need a Mega talent and he fits the bill...The guy has workhorse written all over him and will open up the passing game....and then u draft a wr at 22 and select a rt at 37.....give colt one more chance and if he sucks then u draft a QB next year

 

[JMcCurry08]

Draft Trent and be done with it...The browns need a Mega talent and he fits the bill...The guy has workhorse written all over him and will open up the passing game....and then u draft a wr at 22 and select a rt at 37.....give colt one more chance and if he sucks then u draft a QB next year

Amen

 

[KCOTT]

Trent will also help keep our offense on the field, which more importantly, finally gives our defense some well-needed time off of it.

 

[Triplethreat]

Not all spread offenses are the same.

And the screen pass is simply a staple of every college offense, and nothing is proof of that more than USC. I watched Barkley throw a ton just to get his receivers in space.

I'm not faulting either QB for that, but the route tree at Baylor is seemingly far more complex. And yes, the option is part of that, but Art Briles pretty much runs a prostyle offense from the shotgun, with the option replacing play-action.

That is legitimately so much bullshit. "Their route tree was so much more complex."

Okay b00bie..

I still agree Weeden isn't a good pick, but you can't use the offense argument after you were so against me using it on RGIII, you're just being biased as shit.

 

[FiveThous]

For a while I was warming up to the idea of the Browns drafting Ryan Tannehill. Lately though, as the draft gets nearer, the thought terrifies me more and more. I have not watched the kid play, I have only seen a little bit of film on him. So my opinion is not really based off of actual knowledge lol. The bottom line, I just really don't like the kid's name. Honestly, to me he just sounds like a bust. Most successful NFL QBs have really strong sounding names, mostly like 2-4 syllables. You know? Joe Montana, Steve Young, John Elway, Dan Marino, Brett Favre, Tom Brady. Ryan Tannehill just doesn't pass the name test for me (funny thing, Colt McCoy, does pass the name test). That couple with his sudden rise up the draft board has him looking like a real bust in my eyes. What do you guys think? What's in a name?

kind of similar but not really but doesnt quentin coples scream pro bowler top you?