2012 NFL Draft Rumor Thread

jonmchugh said:

hey guys did anybody here kiper on mike and mike this morning on tannehill? he basically ripped us and said that tannehil would be a disaster if he came here because he would have no weapons around him. was talking about how colt had no weapons around him last year and it would be the same this year if week took tannehill at 4. he said that he would be forced to be the franchise guy right away and stated that he thinks that tannehill needs to sit a couple years. mentioned that miami would be the perfect fit for him.

all of this is true and I agree with kiper.

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how is stating the truth ripping someone?

jonmchugh said:

hey guys did anybody here kiper on mike and mike this morning on tannehill? he basically ripped us and said that tannehil would be a disaster if he came here because he would have no weapons around him. was talking about how colt had no weapons around him last year and it would be the same this year if week took tannehill at 4. he said that he would be forced to be the franchise guy right away and stated that he thinks that tannehill needs to sit a couple years. mentioned that miami would be the perfect fit for him.

all of this is true and I agree with kiper.

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I agree and think the Browns do, too. Tannehill's best chance to succeed is in Miami. He can sit behind Garrard and Moore and learn the offense from his college coach. I will be shocked if we take him, and think the Browns interest is pure fiction.

jonmchugh said:

hey guys did anybody here kiper on mike and mike this morning on tannehill? he basically ripped us and said that tannehil would be a disaster if he came here because he would have no weapons around him. was talking about how colt had no weapons around him last year and it would be the same this year if week took tannehill at 4. he said that he would be forced to be the franchise guy right away and stated that he thinks that tannehill needs to sit a couple years. mentioned that miami would be the perfect fit for him.

all of this is true and I agree with kiper.

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This is news for all the people that really thought we were going to take Tannehill. However, 99% odds are that we won't. Don't get me wrong, he is an upgrade over Colt... but not worth the #4 overall. This franchise is all about maximizing it's assets and taking safe picks. A lot of people here had a few doubts about RG3 because he played in the Big12, and RG3 has a much much much better skill set than Tannehill.

I honestly just don't see it being even a remote possibility that we take him.

jonmchugh said:

hey guys did anybody here kiper on mike and mike this morning on tannehill? he basically ripped us and said that tannehil would be a disaster if he came here because he would have no weapons around him. was talking about how colt had no weapons around him last year and it would be the same this year if week took tannehill at 4. he said that he would be forced to be the franchise guy right away and stated that he thinks that tannehill needs to sit a couple years. mentioned that miami would be the perfect fit for him.

all of this is true and I agree with kiper.

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I don't disagree, but what weapons do the Dolphins have that make them a much better fit?

tony grossi saying that the eagles really want tannehill and would be willing to trade up to take him. cleveland would be a possible trade partner. grossi saying that the eagles would give up #15 and 47 and 51.

would you guys trade that far down?

cafemerald said:

Thanks for repeating exactly what Jigo just posted. I really appreciate it.

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lol my bad. I responded right after I saw Optomist's post

jonmchugh said:

tony grossi saying that the eagles really want tannehill and would be willing to trade up to take him. cleveland would be a possible trade partner. grossi saying that the eagles would give up #15 and 47 and 51.

would you guys trade that far down?

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not that far I still want Trent

Yeah I sure as hell hope that we don't trade down that far. This would be like the 3rd year we trade out of the top ten. I just don't want us to trade down that far. I want Trent

jonmchugh said:

tony grossi saying that the eagles really want tannehill and would be willing to trade up to take him. cleveland would be a possible trade partner. grossi saying that the eagles would give up #15 and 47 and 51.

would you guys trade that far down?

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No.

jonmchugh said:

tony grossi saying that the eagles really want tannehill and would be willing to trade up to take him. cleveland would be a possible trade partner. grossi saying that the eagles would give up #15 and 47 and 51.

would you guys trade that far down?

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Not sure. Seems like a Browns move though. If it led to Kendall Wright, Doug Martin, Bobby Massie, Lavonte David, and Weeden it's be tough to say no to that. That could be 5 new starters.

JMcCurry08 said:

not that far I still want Trent

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once you trade down he's gone (i don't buy Tampa and even St. Louis passing on him)...so if your only reason to stay in the top 10 is Trent i doubt he'll be there anyway.

if the Eagles add a 2013 2nd rounder i would do the deal....i'm sorry i love Trent but with all those picks we could build a dynasty

jonmchugh said:

tony grossi saying that the eagles really want tannehill and would be willing to trade up to take him. cleveland would be a possible trade partner. grossi saying that the eagles would give up #15 and 47 and 51.

would you guys trade that far down?

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Add a first for next year and I would consider it.

Richfield 4ever said:

Can we just put a couple things to rest regarding Weeden?

First, his health. Yes, his baseball career ended due to a shoulder injury. That was in 2006. He became the starter at OSU in 2010 and played all of that year and all of 2011 without shoulder trouble. Pitching a baseball is a much different action than throwing a football. You use different muscles, your arm moves differently, and you don't throw a football nearly as hard as you throw a baseball. Every team will evaluate his shoulder to make sure it is sound. I have seen no evidence to the contrary.

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His torn labrum isn't a huge issue the way it currently is but when you're evaluating a 29 year old prospect, any additional risk is bad. If he gets hurt and makes the injury worse or it becomes an issue as he gets older it would take away from the "6-8 great years" that people keep pulling out of thin air as an expectation for Weeden. Thus, it's worth mentioning.

Richfield 4ever said:

Second, his arm strength. I encourage the detractors to post scouting reports that say his arm strength is mediocre. Every report I have seen says it is one of his best features. Scouts, Inc. gave him a "1" rating for arm strength, meaning he is exceptional in that regard. Greg Cosell noted that he has great arm strength on throws over the middle.

Some of the negatives are valid. He does have problems facing pressure. He has accuracy problems on throws to the sidelines. He needs to improve his footwork.

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Agree with all of this. I'd be surprised if anyone who is comparing Colt's arm strength to Weeden's has actually watched him play. He threw a mid-90's fastball in baseball and throws with good velocity in football. His physical tools are no part of the concern I have with him.

Richfield 4ever said:

He will also be a 29-year-old rookie. But he isn't the first QB to start his NFL career late. Roger Staubach went on to have a Hall of Fame career after starting his at 27 years old.

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This is where the rub is for me. It makes no sense to compare Weeden to guys like Staubach/Warner. Staubach may have only been a 27 year old rookie but he played extra years on various Navy teams after college to get himself ready for the NFL. Even then, it took him 2 years to make the Pro Bowl. Warner played years in the Arena league and NFL Europe before going to the NFL. Oh, and Weeden is 2 years older than both of them.

Weeden is a true rookie with only 2 years of starting under his belt. He wasn't playing football from 2002-2006. If we were talking about any other 2 year starter at QB, we'd be talking about his adjustment period and how he'll need some seasoning before he's ready. Apparently if that QB ages to 29 though, he's ready to light the league on fire. Holding the clipboard and getting older is not what makes NFL backup QBs better over time, it's being around, practicing and learning football. Age 29 usually means increased maturity. It does NOT mean NFL readiness.

The risk there is that if he takes more than 1-2 years to develop, he's pretty much a waste. With a young guy like Rodgers, GB could afford to spend 3-4 years developing him because when he was finally ready, he was in his mid 20's. If Weeden takes that long, he'll be a 32-33 year old first time starter. I want nothing to do with that scenario but it's a definite possibility.

Richfield 4ever said:

While Weeden is not a perfect prospect, I would have no issue with us taking him in the third. The second round is a bit high for him, but I suppose I would be OK with him there, as well. No. 22 overall is too high for him, though.

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I don't know that anyone has an issue taking him in the 3rd because there's little risk there. Where I have issue is taking him in the 2nd or (God forbid) trading up into the 1st for him or selecting him at 22. Those picks can be used on Day 1 starters at RB/OT/WR... that's the point where the risk becomes too much for me.

Adding weapons and protection around Colt and drafting a young, high-upside guy next year if he flops is much better than hoping Weeden instantly becomes great in the NFL and makes up for the missing weapon. Too much risk here guys... too much risk.

For a while I was warming up to the idea of the Browns drafting Ryan Tannehill. Lately though, as the draft gets nearer, the thought terrifies me more and more. I have not watched the kid play, I have only seen a little bit of film on him. So my opinion is not really based off of actual knowledge lol. The bottom line, I just really don't like the kid's name. Honestly, to me he just sounds like a bust. Most successful NFL QBs have really strong sounding names, mostly like 2-4 syllables. You know? Joe Montana, Steve Young, John Elway, Dan Marino, Brett Favre, Tom Brady. Ryan Tannehill just doesn't pass the name test for me (funny thing, Colt McCoy, does pass the name test). That couple with his sudden rise up the draft board has him looking like a real bust in my eyes. What do you guys think? What's in a name?

That's really far to go down. So lets look at best possible scenario if I were drafting...
#15: Floyd slips and we get him
#22: Best Available OL- Martin/Adams/Glenn if they think he's a tackle
#37: Andre Branch or Lavonte David
#46: Weeden
#51: Doug Martin

I guess that is fine if you get Floyd but I don't see him available at 15. If Floyd is gone they could ensure they get Kendall Wright by taking him at 15. I don't see them taking the other OL because they are better fits at G rather than T which is what we really need. Coming out of this draft with play makers like Wright/Doug Martin instead of T-Rich and Wright or Hill. Not sure I like that trade off.