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2012 Draft

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What I've learned over the past night from RCF:

1. Andy V. is worth dumping to move up two spots in the draft (or even packaging with our #24 and future firsts);
2. 15 rookies were better than TT this past season;
3. Drummond is a once in a genration transcendental talent;
4. T-Rob and TT simply can't coexist;

I'm sure there will be more gems to come. :pop:
 
I think Grant would be pretty happy drafting MKG, Barnes, Robinson, or Beal and would probably take them in that order.

I don't expect him to trade up for any higher for any of them of them unless it doesn't cost the Cavs any talent.

I do see him trying to trade up from #24 into the mid teens. After pick #1, the sweet spot in this draft is in the 12-17 range. There's going to be most talent in that area since the JJ Hickson draft.

Agreed, although I'm not so sure the Cavaliers would take Robinson over Beal.
I really see no reason to trade up, as at least one of the wings (MKG, Barnes, Beal) will be there.
 
Here is DX's first extended mock draft, published as Yahoo Sports:

1. New Orleans Hornets
Anthony Davis: PF, 19, 6-10, 220, Kentucky, Fresh.

While conspiracy theories will abound, basketball purists will appreciate that a team that competed admirably all season long with limited resources was rewarded with some good karma in the form of the No. 1 pick. Hornets general manager Dell Demps wasn't particularly coy about who they might select following the lottery drawing, joking saying that the pick is "top secret." Certainly the team will go through a process including medical evaluations, interviews and potentially a light workout, but it's impossible to look at their roster and style of play and not say that Davis is precisely what the doctor ordered. New Orleans' rebuilding process just got a major boost.
2. Charlotte Bobcats
Thomas Robinson: PF, 21, 6-9, 240, Kansas, Junior

Although the Bobcats and their fans will certainly be disappointed not to end up with Anthony Davis after the miserable season they endured, they should get over that fairly quickly when they realize they are about to add an extremely important piece to their roster who is arguably more ready to compete from Day One than Davis.
Robinson will bring a blend of strength, athleticism and competitiveness that the team sorely lacked this season inside the paint. He will pair well with 2011 draft pick Bismack Biyombo to form one of the longest and most explosive interior frontcourts – certainly defensively – in the NBA.
3. Washington Wizards
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist: SF: 18, 6-7, 228, Kentucky, Fresh.

The Wizards will also be disappointed initially not to end up with the top overall pick after finishing with the league's second-worst record. But that should be short-lived as well when they realize that a very exciting piece in their rebuilding process is on the way in Kidd-Gilchrist.
With the Wizards sporting the worst small forward rotation in the NBA this season, Kidd-Gilchrist could fill an immediate hole, bringing a degree of intensity and toughness that will immediately improve their perimeter defense. He's arguably the most competitive player in this draft. Still very much a work in progress offensively, he would form a lethal transition duo with speedster John Wall, as well as the hyper athletic Jan Vesely.
4. Cleveland Cavaliers
Bradley Beal: SG, 18, 6-4, 201, Florida, Fresh.

Sporting virtually nothing in their backcourt going into next season outside of Rookie of the Year Kyrie Irving, the Cavs need immediate help at the shooting guard position. Beal has the perfect skill set and demeanor to compliment Irving, which should make him an extremely attractive pick. Andre Drummond will likely also get a long look here.
5. Sacramento Kings
Andre Drummond: C, 18, 6-10, 251, Connecticut, Fresh.

This could be shades of 2010, where arguably the second-most-talented player in the draft fell to the No. 5 pick, only to be swooped up by the Sacramento Kings. Drummond could slip for different reasons than DeMarcus Cousins did, but there's little doubt the two complement each other fairly well, possibly forming one of the biggest and most physically gifted frontcourts in the NBA. The question is whether Sacramento will find a way to get the most out of Drummond's immense talent, and whether they are prepared to take on another project player who may take a couple of years to pan out.
6. Portland Trail Blazers (via Brooklyn)
Jared Sullinger: PF/C, 20, 6-9, 280, Ohio State, Soph.

The Trail Blazers have been looking for a strong interior option to pair with LaMarcus Aldridge for quite some time, and this draft will finally give them an opportunity to do so. Going into next season with only Kurt Thomas and Aldridge under contact, Jared Sullinger certainly appears to be an attractive option here, as his skill set compliments what they already have.
7. Golden State Warriors
Harrison Barnes: SF, 19, 6-8, 223, North Carolina, Soph.

The Warriors took a major leap of faith in trading fan favorite Monta Ellis for injured center Andrew Bogut and handing the full-time ball-handling responsibilities to Stephen Curry, who lost most of the season to an ankle injury. If everyone stays healthy, they have a very intriguing roster on paper, but still could use some additional scoring punch on the wing. Harrison Barnes duplicates many of the things Klay Thompson and Dorell Wright do. He's also not a particularly gifted shot creator, but he has great size and scoring instincts and still has plenty of room to improve at age 19.
8. Toronto Raptors
Jeremy Lamb: SG, 19, 6-5, 185, Connecticut, Soph.

While the Raptors anxiously await the arrival of their 2011 lottery pick, Jonas Valanciunas, next season, they have a chance to plug another hole. Finding a successor to starting point guard Jose Calderon, who is entering the final year of his contract, is a priority, especially considering that Valanciunas will need to have offense created for him, at least initially. The Raptors' wing rotation also looks unsettled, with DeMar DeRozan still unable to find a consistent jump shot, and very little starting material around him. One solution might be to pick Jeremy Lamb, one of the most talented scorers in the draft, and move DeRozan to small forward.
9. Detroit Pistons
John Henson: PF, 21, 6-11, 220, North Carolina, Junior

The Pistons struggled on both ends of the floor last season, ranking 29 th in offensive efficiency and 24 th on defense, meaning this lone pick will surely not solve all their problems. Pairing Greg Monroe with a long and athletic shot-blocker/rebounder like Henson could be a good start, though. The two seem to complement each other fairly well. Finding a long-term solution at small forward will also be a priority, which could mean Harrison Barnes if he's available.
10. New Orleans Hornets (via Minnesota)
Damian Lillard: PG, 21, 6-2, 185, Weber State, Junior

The Hornets competed admirably despite being forced to trade their franchise player, Chris Paul, and seeing his replacement, Eric Gordon, lose much of the season to injury. That doesn't mask the fact they lack talent at many key positions, particularly in the frontcourt where two of their most experienced players (Carl Landry and Chris Kaman) are free agents this summer. Jarrett Jack exceeded expectations, but may not be a long-term solution, meaning a potential upgrade at point guard could also be in order. Lillard would complement the likes of Anthony Davis and Eric Gordon extremely well, even if Kendall Marshall's court vision and passing savvy could also get a long look here.

24. Cleveland Cavaliers (via LA Lakers)
Fab Melo: C, 21, 7-0, 250, Syracuse, Soph.

The Cavs seemingly need everything except a starting point guard at this stage, and adding some size and bulk to the frontcourt wouldn't be a bad idea. With the Cavs ranked as one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA this season, Melo has the potential to help in that area down the road once he gets experience.
 
Agreed, although I'm not so sure the Cavaliers would take Robinson over Beal.

Here's the Robinson argument--
1) Robinson & Tristan might compliment each other. Robinson does the positional defense, defensive rebounding and scoring from called plays. Tristan is good with shot blocking, offensive rebounding, and scoring from chaos.
2) In theory, drafting Robinson might allow the Cavs to consider trading Varejao for a wing or guard.
 
Beal and Melo would be a good draft....i'd like to see Buford and another 7 footer in the second round
 
What I've learned over the past night from RCF:

1. Andy V. is worth dumping to move up two spots in the draft (or even packaging with our #24 and future firsts);
2. 15 rookies were better than TT this past season;
3. Drummond is a once in a genration transcendental talent;
4. T-Rob and TT simply can't coexist;

I'm sure there will be more gems to come. :pop:

Stop. You do know a message board is a communal place for people to share their opinions, thoughts, comments, et. al. on any subjects matter. It's not like we're arguing over the compound structure of the Hadron Collider.
 
Here's the Robinson argument--
1) Robinson & Tristan might compliment each other. Robinson does the positional defense, defensive rebounding and scoring from called plays. Tristan is good with shot blocking, offensive rebounding, and scoring from chaos.
2) In theory, drafting Robinson might allow the Cavs to consider trading Varejao for a wing or guard.

Agree that they compliment each other. Question is whether TT can actually play the 5. Another question is what Robinson measures out to. If he's a legit 6'10" then I think he goes in the top three.
 
The prospect of a core of Irving, Beal, Harkless, and Thompson has me giddy. Add in a developmental big in the 2nd and BPA with the other pick and we're looking at a solid base of young talent. With the 2013 draft being loaded with centers, i think we wait until next year to address the center position, when we are going to have a shitload of picks to package to potentially make a move up. The Cavs will be improved this year no matter what, but we may be the youngest team in the league next season. I see us still in the top 8 next year so we can secure our center, and then in 2013-14 we make a big jump in Tristan and Kyrie's 3rd year.
 
First of all, stop the stupid talk of trading #4 and #24 for the second pick. This team has way too many holes to do something that stupid
when the player at two is a big dropoff from #1. Only way I ever trade 4 and 24 for #2 is if the Hornets did something stupid and passed on
Unibrow.

Next, the Chicago Combine will go a long way toward slotting these guys in the top 10. Drummond is the BIG domino in the draft. If he busts his
ass and plays well in the combine games, his size will get a team in the top three (well, 2 or 3) to fall in love with him. Teams love bigs that have
potential. He has everything to lose so you know the bb 'whisperer' will have him playing at the top of his game. Worst case scenario is he falls to 4
with Beal and MKG going 2 and 3. I'm sure he's be motivated knowing he has a pg like Irving to feed him the ball. It would be interesting to see how he would react to a
coach like Byron Scott. If he's there and Grant takes him, I'll trust that they checked him out with a fine toothed comb.

While it's loaded with holes, the thing this team needs more than anything is shooting. Whether it comes with the 4th or 24th pick, the shooters need to be found. I'd
have no problem if they took Beal or Lamb at #4, especially, if they came back at #24 or earlier via trade and drafted Quincy Miller.

I love Q. Miller and would love to get him with the second first rounder, regardless of whom they take at #4, unless of course MKG was there. This team could properly
rehab that bum knee of his and he would be a stud.

Oh, and lastly, screw JV. He won't get close enough to the hoop in the NBA to make those plays he does against the other Euro's. He'll get beaten up like a red-headed
step child down low. I'll be glad when all this JV love-fest garbage is over next year after he realizes these boys in the NBA mean business.
 
Things That I've Been Thinking

1. I don't think that Beal gets past the Wizards. As some sites have stated, Washington needs a SG that can dial it in from three, and Beal will fit a little better than Barnes will. They have several SF-type players, and Beal would bring something that team doesn't have.

2. I don't think Charlotte has the luxury of taking Drummond. They need to right the ship, and sooner rather than later, because another year or two of putting that product out there, and they won't have a choice but to move to another city. Pencil MKG in that slot.

3. Honestly, I think Drummond is the perfect fit here in Cleveland. He's got the physical make-up without any issues whatsoever. If he didn't have those questions about his "drive" and "desire," he'd be the #2 pick in the draft, hands-down. Charlotte can't take him, because the environment wouldn't be conducive to that type of player. Same goes for Washington who can't get their #1 pick from just a couple years ago to start acting like it.

Drummond is the kind of guy that, you hope, gets surrounded by players like Kyrie, TT, and Varejao and those players help him to stay focused and learn what it is like to be a true NBA player. Plus, a PG like Kyrie is perfect for a C like Drummond on the floor.

I liked what I read on some draft site recently. It talked about how passing on a player like Drummond is almost like saying that your own coaching staff just wouldn't be able to make a player that comes in with those kinds of question marks "get it." Personally, I think Byron Scott is exactly the kind of coach to help that kid find his game and the true effort level that it will take to get it done in the NBA.

If the Cavaliers can take guys from the NBDL and make them serviceable players, then why doubt their ability with guys that have the ability but just haven't found a way to bring it out consistently?

4. The more I think about it, the more I like the Bleacher Report's mock (odd, I know). But Drummond at 4 and Harkless at 24 is about as high risk/high reward as it gets. If those two players panned out to be what they could aspire to be, the Cavaliers would contend sooner rather than later. Orlando Johnson from UCSB would be an interesting option at SG, and Draymond Green would provide great bench depth and hustle at the PF/SF spot. I'd take that in a second.
 
Why is EVERYONE hating on Barnes? Last time this board hated on one player it was Roy Hibbert. How did that turn out? The NBA draft is a total crapshoot. You can have 3 busts in the top 5 and that can be considered normal. As it looks, Barnes and Davis seem to be close to sure things (non-busts). I wouldn't be upset at all to take him.

Would I rather have Beal or MKG, sure. But i dont think Barnes will bust. With Byron Scott running things here, the talent is there in Barnes. I think him and Kyrie would make a solid duo going forward.
 
Stop. You do know a message board is a communal place for people to share their opinions, thoughts, comments, et. al. on any subjects matter. It's not like we're arguing over the compound structure of the Hadron Collider.


well i guess my opinions are is that we should NOT trade up, T-Rob can absolutely coexist with TT, TT was a fine pick and is seemingly the big with most potential out of his draft class, and Drummond is ultra risky.
 
4. The more I think about it, the more I like the Bleacher Report's mock (odd, I know). But Drummond at 4 and Harkless at 24 is about as high risk/high reward as it gets. If those two players panned out to be what they could aspire to be, the Cavaliers would contend sooner rather than later. Orlando Johnson from UCSB would be an interesting option at SG, and Draymond Green would provide great bench depth and hustle at the PF/SF spot. I'd take that in a second.

When did Grant and Co. put "high risk, high reward" on their letterhead? Their choices have had "advanced analytics and safe choices" stamped all over them. Drummond does not fair well by that yardstick.
 
I would really have no problem taking T-Rob. We might have our own Dale/Antonio Davis tandem on our hands :D
 
Chad Ford has us taking Barnes in his mock draft..fuck
 

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