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IT always saddens me when a national disaster like this one leads to people spouting off opinions they already formed years ago... like the national disaster showed up to prove they were right.

This story is just terrible. For me, it just made me want to hold my son as long as possible and hope my family and my school never have to go through something like this. The time will come for sensible discussions on how schools should change. I really don't think this is the time. I'd rather see emotional support and perhaps some voluntary donation action to support the victims and their families.
 
Randolphkeys said:
IT always saddens me when a national disaster like this one leads to people spouting off opinions they already formed years ago... like the national disaster showed up to prove they were right.

This story is just terrible. For me, it just made me want to hold my son as long as possible and hope my family and my school never have to go through something like this. The time will come for sensible discussions on how schools should change. I really don't think this is the time. I'd rather see emotional support and perhaps some voluntary donation action to support the victims and their families.
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Emotional support is great, but it isn't going to get you very far, unless you're those who are directly affected. Everyone is saddened by this. It does not and should not deter us, all of us, from discussing this from every aspect imaginable. Personally, I believe this mentality is a cop-out from real issues that lie in front of us (lets not talk about it because others are grieving).

Again, we are all saddened. I cannot give more emotional support than I already have. I can only continue to do what it takes to protect those I love.
 
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I have a friend whose child has aspergers and I spent a lot of time with him and his family. I can tell you from first hand experience that, first, the kid is as joyful and sweet as can be. There's nothing that would indicate he's anti social, but he literally doesn't know when to stop talking or when to intervene in a conversation or what is appropriate to say in conversation. He will ramble sometimes incoherently but remains very smart. He gets bullied every day in school but still remains fairly cheerful.

I'm less likely to believe this kid who caused this tragedy is evil but mentally disabled with issues that stem from who knows what.
 
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Morgan Freeman’s thoughts on the shootings:

“You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here’s why.

It’s because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single victim of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he’ll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN’s article says that if the body count “holds up”, this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer’s face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer’s identity? None that I’ve seen yet. Because they don’t sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you’ve just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man’s name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem.”
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saw it on a tumblr
 
BigMar Lion said:
Emotional support is great, but it isn't going to get you very far, unless you're those who are directly effected. Everyone is saddened by this. It does not and should not deter us, all of us, from discussing this from every aspect imaginable. Personally, I believe this mentality is a cop-out from real issues that lie in front of us (lets not talk about it because others are grieving).

Again, we are all saddened. I cannot give further emotional support than I already have. I can only continue to do what it takes to protect those I love.
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Agreed. Now is the best time to talk about issues like gun control, mental health, and the way the media seemingly glorifies the people who commit these killing sprees. It's the best time because the tragedy is fresh in our minds to give us perspective as to what is at stake here.
 
Jack Brickman said:
Agreed. Now is the best time to talk about issues like gun control, mental health, and the way the media seemingly glorifies the people who commit these killing sprees. It's the best time because the tragedy is fresh in our minds to give us perspective as to what is at stake here.
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Yes....however...I also think it can be a dangerous time, because many people have their own ideas, political agendas, etc...and I think people are less likely to budge on their views now more than ever, although I can't know that for sure.

Things just need to be thought through logically and practically. Emotionally, everyone has heavy hearts...and we can't let that cloud our judgement, even though everyone is capable of letting that happen once in awhile.
 
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It's also a good time to pay attention to politics. You know good and well those assholes know that this is a good time to do something unpopular.

Boener will cave on taxes I'm sure, fiscal cliff too.

I don't mean to inject politics but that is how these guys operate.
 
BigMar Lion said:
Emotional support is great, but it isn't going to get you very far, unless you're those who are directly effected. Everyone is saddened by this. It does not and should not deter us, all of us, from discussing this from every aspect imaginable. Personally, I believe this mentality is a cop-out from real issues that lie in front of us (lets not talk about it because others are grieving).

Again, we are all saddened. I cannot give more emotional support than I already have. I can only continue to do what it takes to protect those I love.
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I'm not pointing fingers at individuals. I'm suggesting that focusing on some form of support for victims isn't the first thing people think to do... but it's the most effective first action. Talking in circles about political stances will lead you right back where you started with a little less energy. At least, that's what I've found.

http://www.dailycamera.com/breaking...cut-school-shooting-how-help-victims-families

Connecticut school shooting: How to help Newtown victims' families, community
By Viktoria Sundqvist The Middletown Press
Posted: 12/15/2012 10:40:58 AM MST
Updated: 12/15/2012 01:34:40 PM MST

NEWTOWN, Conn. - Newtown Youth & Family Services is collecting donations for people directly affected by Friday's elementary school shooting,
Donations can be sent via "Caroline's Gift," a fund set up in the 1990s by a local family in memory of their daughter. The Caroline's Gift fund offers financial support to families who are dealing with a child's terminal or catastrophic illness.

"Any donations made to Newtown Youth & Family Services will be donated directly to those affected by the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting," a message on the organizations website says.

Newtown Youth and Family Services is located at 15 Berkshire Road, Sandy Hook, CT 06482. For more details on how to donate, call (203) 426-8103.

Another group accepting donations is the Newtown Parent Connection, which accepts donations on its website, www.newtownparentconnection.org. Donations can be made via Paypal or any major credit card, and the organization says all donations will be donated directly to those affected by the shooting. For further details, call (203) 270-1600.

The United Way of Western Connecticut is accepting donations in a partnership with Newtown Savings Bank. Check donations may be mailed to: Sandy Hook School Support Fund, c/o Newtown Savings Bank, 39 Main St., Newtown CT 06470. You can also donate by credit card here: https://newtown/uwwesternct.org

"To several staff, volunteers and contributors, Newtown is home," the United Way of Western Connecticut says on its website. "We will stand with the community and everyone affected directly and indirectly by this tragic event as we face the days and weeks ahead."

The Facebook group R.I.P. Sandy Hook Elementary School Children, which as of Saturday morning had more than 1.1 million likes, is encouraging everyone to wear blue and yellow - the school's colors - on Monday in honor of the victims.

Those who wish to offer voluntary assistance should call (800) 203-1234, according to the Connecticut Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection.
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Randolphkeys said:
IT always saddens me when a national disaster like this one leads to people spouting off opinions they already formed years ago... like the national disaster showed up to prove they were right.

This story is just terrible. For me, it just made me want to hold my son as long as possible and hope my family and my school never have to go through something like this. The time will come for sensible discussions on how schools should change. I really don't think this is the time. I'd rather see emotional support and perhaps some voluntary donation action to support the victims and their families.
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what is wrong with trying to figure out ways to stop this from happening again? They don't just keep happening, the rate of has increased. 1990 didn't have any. That was the last time there were none when prior to that it was far more common to have none than to have even one, there has been more than one shooting at a school every year since. Starting in 2006, there have been at least 6 school shooting incidents every year. Something that had never happened once prior to 2006. This year there have been 7 school shootings with 40 fatalities, which makes it the deadliest year ever.
 
It seems to have infected the cultural consciousness of America ( and beyond if look at Norway etc...) like a lot of ideas that appeal to the self-marginalised, it's a bad one. As these students are always 'loners' etc... Surely the best way to try and fix this now would be to investigate ways to increase social tolerance and acceptance within the student body of high schools? Maybe impossible, but surely everything else is treating the symptoms and not the cause
 
Well this is rather odd...

In the wake of the mass murders that took place in Newtown, Connecticut on Dec. 14, information on the shooter, and his family, is slowly being discovered by law enforcement other sources. One interesting connection to the tragedy that took place at the Sandy Hook school is that the father of Adam Lanza has a connection to the theater shootings that took place in Aurora earlier this year by James Holmes.

Both fathers of the shooters were allegedly expected to testify in the Libor scandal that rocked the banking world in June.

The father of Newtown Connecticut school shooter Adam Lanza is Peter Lanza who is a VP and Tax Director at GE Financial. The father of Aurora Colorado movie theater shooter James Holmes is Robert Holmes, the lead scientist for the credit score company FICO. Both men were to testify before the US Sentate in the ongoing LIBOR scandal. The London Interbank Offered Rate, known as Libor, is the average interest rate at which banks can borrow from each other. 16 international banks have been implicated in this ongoing scandal, accused of rigging contracts worth trillions of dollars. HSBC has already been fined $1.9 billion and three of their low level traders arrested.
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http://www.examiner.com/article/lib...fathers-of-two-mass-murderers-were-to-testify
 
Conspiracy nuts crack me up, but I must admit this is pretty weird. On the left (next to the left walkie talkie) you can see the words SANDY HOOK. This is a still grab from the batman movie, which was associated with the Aurora shootings.

I'm not saying it means dick, just pointing out that it is indeed there.

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KI4MVP said:
what is wrong with trying to figure out ways to stop this from happening again? They don't just keep happening, the rate of has increased. 1990 didn't have any. That was the last time there were none when prior to that it was far more common to have none than to have even one, there has been more than one shooting at a school every year since. Starting in 2006, there have been at least 6 school shooting incidents every year. Something that had never happened once prior to 2006. This year there have been 7 school shootings with 40 fatalities, which makes it the deadliest year ever.
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That is certainly a straw man. Of course discussions need to take place on school safety and of course I care a great deal on the subject. Discussions on gun laws should take place because they have not been broached since the Clinton administration. National mental health supports have been privatized since the Reagan administration, and as a nation the field has been a regression. But I would hope focus goes toward victims as well, because they will need it more than a website's debate.

I will be donating ten bucks to the org I included above. It probably will give one person another half hour of therapy. I challenge the rest of you to do the same.
 
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