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Re: Kyrie Irving: 2014 All Star Game MVP
"And while Irving has said all the right things about staying put in public, it's no secret that Irving's camp has been making it known for years now the point guard would like to be elsewhere long term."
If he refuses to sign unless he gets earlier opt-outs, he's gotta go. This is not the first or second time someone has written about Kyrie wanting out.
"And while Irving has said all the right things about staying put in public, it's no secret that Irving's camp has been making it known for years now the point guard would like to be elsewhere long term."
If he refuses to sign unless he gets earlier opt-outs, he's gotta go. This is not the first or second time someone has written about Kyrie wanting out.
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Re: Kyrie Irving: 2014 All Star Game MVP
Windhorst is fueling this Kyrie-Leaving propeganda. He really is.
Windhorst is fueling this Kyrie-Leaving propeganda. He really is.
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Re: Kyrie Irving: 2014 All Star Game MVP
This is when you will see crap like this. There isn't much going on in sports... Heck since the Trade Deadline I have barely logged onto RCF...
This is when you will see crap like this. There isn't much going on in sports... Heck since the Trade Deadline I have barely logged onto RCF...
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Re: Kyrie Irving: 2014 All Star Game MVP
but also keep in mind the likelihood of those events, particularly the ones re: lebron and potentially pulling off a mega blockbuster. those would certainly have massive ramifications on his decision, but they are also the least feasible. so espn is basically saying "well.....this is the current situation, and it can change, but judgement day is rapidly approaching."
i don't know, i just don't think it's really all that premature due to the situation, the significance of the player involved, and the relatively short-ish timeline. if they were pulling this shit a year ago, it's way different. but a few months early during the lull between the deadline/end of season, especially when the situation is not particularly positive? eh, just doesn't seem like the biggest deal in the world.
finally, that comment about what is being said in private - whether it is accurate or just BS made up by people with an agenda in his camp - is terrifying.
so basically you're saying the article is a few months early, because things are going to come to a head this off-season for better or for worse due to trades, the draft, free agency, coach/gm hirings, etc. and that's certainly true.
but also keep in mind the likelihood of those events, particularly the ones re: lebron and potentially pulling off a mega blockbuster. those would certainly have massive ramifications on his decision, but they are also the least feasible. so espn is basically saying "well.....this is the current situation, and it can change, but judgement day is rapidly approaching."
i don't know, i just don't think it's really all that premature due to the situation, the significance of the player involved, and the relatively short-ish timeline. if they were pulling this shit a year ago, it's way different. but a few months early during the lull between the deadline/end of season, especially when the situation is not particularly positive? eh, just doesn't seem like the biggest deal in the world.
finally, that comment about what is being said in private - whether it is accurate or just BS made up by people with an agenda in his camp - is terrifying.
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Re: Kyrie Irving: 2014 All Star Game MVP
Kyrie leaves and I truly might be done with NBA basketball...what is going to make another star stay with us long-term?
Kyrie leaves and I truly might be done with NBA basketball...what is going to make another star stay with us long-term?
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Re: Kyrie Irving: 2014 All Star Game MVP
There are those who even wonder whether Irving is truly worth a maximum-level contract, including some within the Cavs organization.
I'm glad this conversation is being held within the organization. It's a very necessary question. If you're gonna get 30% of your team's cap, and you haven't sniffed 30 wins, there's something wrong there. Now, that brings up the whole chicken and egg (great player but bad teammates/system so don't blame him) debate. And that's the exact question the FO should be asking themselves right now.
I'm not against resigning hiim by any means, I'm just for discussing all the options. I know he's a young star on the up and up, but questioning his true value isn't heresy.
There are those who even wonder whether Irving is truly worth a maximum-level contract, including some within the Cavs organization.
I'm glad this conversation is being held within the organization. It's a very necessary question. If you're gonna get 30% of your team's cap, and you haven't sniffed 30 wins, there's something wrong there. Now, that brings up the whole chicken and egg (great player but bad teammates/system so don't blame him) debate. And that's the exact question the FO should be asking themselves right now.
I'm not against resigning hiim by any means, I'm just for discussing all the options. I know he's a young star on the up and up, but questioning his true value isn't heresy.
Re: Kyrie Irving: 2014 All Star Game MVP
There really isn't any new information in that article. Before the all-star game, Kyrie objectively wasn't playing like a max player. So of course some might question paying him the max. You need a max guy to be a leader. Kyrie needs to grow into that.
Rumors about him eventually wanting to leave are nothing new either. Something seems to come out every 4 months.
It is what it is. If we build a good enough team and start winning consistently, things will work out decently well.
Why am I not surprised this article comes after our little losing streak? Guarantee this article isn't published if we had won 8 in a row.
There really isn't any new information in that article. Before the all-star game, Kyrie objectively wasn't playing like a max player. So of course some might question paying him the max. You need a max guy to be a leader. Kyrie needs to grow into that.
Rumors about him eventually wanting to leave are nothing new either. Something seems to come out every 4 months.
It is what it is. If we build a good enough team and start winning consistently, things will work out decently well.
Why am I not surprised this article comes after our little losing streak? Guarantee this article isn't published if we had won 8 in a row.
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It certainly isn't heresy, especially if his value to the league is higher than it is to the Cavs. You can get good value for him, especially if you trade him from a position of strength while he is totally content, without him asking to leave town, etc.
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Re: Kyrie Irving: 2014 All Star Game MVP
It's a sport. Nothing should be terrifying.
Shouldn't be afraid anymore of a player wanting to leave. They should know how to handle this now. If he tries to get a deal where he has an early opt out, trade him. Not tough.
If this team were on the upswing, then I'd be worried about this. But you know, I gotta say, a dude threatening to leave when he hasn't won 30 games in 3 years...yea, not that terrifying. People will be saying "but we'll have to start over!!!" Ugh, we haven't got out of the fucking starting blocks yet.
It's a sport. Nothing should be terrifying.
Shouldn't be afraid anymore of a player wanting to leave. They should know how to handle this now. If he tries to get a deal where he has an early opt out, trade him. Not tough.
If this team were on the upswing, then I'd be worried about this. But you know, I gotta say, a dude threatening to leave when he hasn't won 30 games in 3 years...yea, not that terrifying. People will be saying "but we'll have to start over!!!" Ugh, we haven't got out of the fucking starting blocks yet.
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Re: Kyrie Irving: 2014 All Star Game MVP
Trolling small market teams and cities is a unit mover for ESPN. The big markets read it, because they want the better player. And the small markets read it, because they don't want to lose the better player. Add into that, everybody who has never been to Cleveland thinks it's a joke, and you have the perfect storm of sports media trolling. You can read the article up to the second or third paragraph, where it says, "For these reasons, no player in Irving's position has ever declined to a sign a maximum contract offer," and stop reading. The rest of it is a truckload of conjecture, hearsay, rumor, and horseshit, and if you read it, or talk about it, you are eating the horseshit.
Trolling small market teams and cities is a unit mover for ESPN. The big markets read it, because they want the better player. And the small markets read it, because they don't want to lose the better player. Add into that, everybody who has never been to Cleveland thinks it's a joke, and you have the perfect storm of sports media trolling. You can read the article up to the second or third paragraph, where it says, "For these reasons, no player in Irving's position has ever declined to a sign a maximum contract offer," and stop reading. The rest of it is a truckload of conjecture, hearsay, rumor, and horseshit, and if you read it, or talk about it, you are eating the horseshit.
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Re: Kyrie Irving: 2014 All Star Game MVP
the point is basically that the cavs got burned by the best player in the league because they couldn't surround him with enough talent, then they completely dismantled the team, got a young star - not to the same level as the player they lost prior, but still - and failed yet again to surround him with enough talent to give him a reason to stay. in other words, if they lose another star, would there really be any reason to believe they could retain the NEXT one they get after they start ANOTHER rebuild?
now you can say kyrie isn't worth the supermax (and i would agree) and you can criticize him and his game all you want (and again, i'd probably agree on many points). but the prospect of losing far and away the best player you've acquired since the rebuild started because you couldn't surround him with enough reason to stay.....well, that really sucks.
that was obv slight hyperbole.
the point is basically that the cavs got burned by the best player in the league because they couldn't surround him with enough talent, then they completely dismantled the team, got a young star - not to the same level as the player they lost prior, but still - and failed yet again to surround him with enough talent to give him a reason to stay. in other words, if they lose another star, would there really be any reason to believe they could retain the NEXT one they get after they start ANOTHER rebuild?
now you can say kyrie isn't worth the supermax (and i would agree) and you can criticize him and his game all you want (and again, i'd probably agree on many points). but the prospect of losing far and away the best player you've acquired since the rebuild started because you couldn't surround him with enough reason to stay.....well, that really sucks.
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