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Re: Kyrie Irving: 2014 All Star Game MVP

People that want to trade kryie--
You do know he will only get better from here?
honstey what do you see his future being.

has there ever been a player in his first three years, made two all star games, started one, won rookie of the year and not been good?

It is okay hold him to a higher stranded, but to trade him would be the DUMBEST thing Cleveland sports has ever done....and that says a lot
 
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It should tell you everything you need to know about ESPN's anti-Cleveland bias that they just wrote an article today blowing Anthony Davis, whose team is just as bad as ours in the much more competitive West, is capped out, is without a draft pick in the (supposedly) best draft in years, and has a considerably lower ceiling than our team. I don't see anyone talking about him bolting, talking about his crappy supporting cast, or bringing up how Chris Paul forced his way out of the city just a few years ago.

The day before? A piece about Kyrie wanting out and how terrible Cleveland is despite the fact that we can have max cap room this summer, tons of flexibility, our own (likely lottery) pick this summer, extra first-rounders to either use or deal, and a bunch of players on rookie deals with a lot of potential.

Such bullshit.
 
It should tell you everything you need to know about ESPN's anti-Cleveland bias that they just wrote an article today blowing Anthony Davis, whose team is just as bad as ours in the much more competitive West, is capped out, is without a draft pick in the (supposedly) best draft in years, and has a considerably lower ceiling than our team. I don't see anyone talking about him bolting, talking about his crappy supporting cast, or bringing up how Chris Paul forced his way out of the city just a few years ago.

The day before? A piece about Kyrie wanting out and how terrible Cleveland is despite the fact that we can have max cap room this summer, tons of flexibility, our own (likely lottery) pick this summer, extra first-rounders to either use or deal, and a bunch of players on rookie deals with a lot of potential.

Such bullshit.

Ya if anyone should leave it should be Davis. Those idiots traded for an average pg giving to 2 picks. Then proceed to sign Evans to an atrocious offer when they are already paying Holiday and Gordon 10mill+
 
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Ya if anyone should leave it should be Davis. Those idiots traded for an average pg giving to 2 picks. Then proceed to sign Evans to an atrocious offer when they are already paying Holiday and Gordon 10mill+

The funny thing is that they could have drafted Carter-Williams and paired him with Davis, which would have been much more promising than what they've got now. That's not even taking into account their pick this year, which will belong to Philly unless it falls in the top five (which is unlikely). That's another young guy on a rookie deal they could have paired with Davis, and their pick most likely would have been higher too had they not traded for Holiday and signed Evans.

Oh yeah, and they're paying three guards, all of whom are slightly above average NBA players, a combined 35 million dollars, with none of them expiring this year or next!
 
Re: Kyrie Irving: 2014 All Star Game MVP

Sportsnation just had a poll asking America whether or not Kyrie should leave the cavs. 90% said Yes. I guess that settles it then.
 
Re: Kyrie Irving: 2014 All Star Game MVP

Sportsnation just had a poll asking America whether or not Kyrie should leave the cavs. 90% said Yes. I guess that settles it then.

What is wrong with people :(
 
Re: Kyrie Irving: 2014 All Star Game MVP

Sportsnation just had a poll asking America whether or not Kyrie should leave the cavs. 90% said Yes. I guess that settles it then.

Because 90% of the people who voted are fans of other teams who want Kyrie on their team and the other 10% are Cavs fans. If you made a poll about K-love in Minny you would get the same result.

I did get your sarcasm though. :chuckles: ESPN Blows.
 
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Because 90% of the people who voted are fans of other teams who want Kyrie on their team and the other 10% are Cavs fans. If you made a poll about K-love in Minny you would get the same result.

I did get your sarcasm though. :chuckles: ESPN Blows.

Or they just see the absolute mess this organization is..
 
Re: Kyrie Irving: 2014 All Star Game MVP

People that want to trade kryie--
You do know he will only get better from here?
honstey what do you see his future being.

has there ever been a player in his first three years, made two all star games, started one, won rookie of the year and not been good?

It is okay hold him to a higher stranded, but to trade him would be the DUMBEST thing Cleveland sports has ever done....and that says a lot

I think we've been over this in other threads but you have to be one dense mutha to equate a fan selected all star game to actual level of performance. Not only is he not getting better, he's been inconsistent at best, and a total liability on defense.

Then you add on the fact that his camp has been saying he wants out, his family hates Mike Brown, a GM that is at odds with his head coaches philosophy, and now you have a recipe for disaster. As far as I'm concerned, he should have been traded this last deadline to save the headache of what is about to occur and that is his impending desire to have an opt out clause, a clause Dan Gilbert has no interest in taking on.

Not only that but we are well on our way to missing the playoffs only to have our main guys back within a week or two which will then push us to a mid first round pick with every win. We've wasted assets to acquire guys that are free agents to help us get to the playoffs we aren't going to make. You don't want to waste cap space resigning them for hefty contracts so who will fill those roles?

There are dark clouds on the horizon but everybody wants to deny it.
 
Re: Kyrie Irving: 2014 All Star Game MVP

I think we've been over this in other threads but you have to be one dense mutha to equate a fan selected all star game to actual level of performance. Not only is he not getting better, he's been inconsistent at best, and a total liability on defense.

I'm with you bro.. Totally agree. But that's the new CBA, and Irving's price is set by the market. If we won't pay him the max, someone else will. So it's hard to say he's not "worth" the max, but rather we'd just not paying him the max.

Then you add on the fact that his camp has been saying he wants out,

I would want out of Cleveland too. Deng apparently wants out, as does Jack, as does Waiters. This doesn't make them bad people. They are rejecting the dysfunctional franchise we have. That falls on Gilbert, Grant, and Mike Brown; not the players.

his family hates Mike Brown,

I hate Mike Brown. He's widely regarded as one of the worst coaches in the NBA. For a player like Irving, Brown is the last person you want coaching him as he doesn't play to his strengths and even made the mind-boggling decision to have Irving playing to what amounts to a shooting guard.

Our team is a joke. Like, literally.

a GM that is at odds with his head coaches philosophy,

Brown is an idiot, he's just as bad as D'Antoni. And if Griffin is a D'Antoni fan, it tells you everything you need to know.

and now you have a recipe for disaster.

Totally agree.

As far as I'm concerned, he should have been traded this last deadline to save the headache of what is about to occur and that is his impending desire to have an opt out clause, a clause Dan Gilbert has no interest in taking on.

Don't think Irving will ask for anything but a standard contract, except that it would almost assuredly be based on the Rose Rule max contract. Outside of that, it should be pretty straight-forward. Gilbert won't hesitate to meet Irving's terms, because they are fair and codified in the CBA.

Not only that but we are well on our way to missing the playoffs only to have our main guys back within a week or two which will then push us to a mid first round pick with every win. We've wasted assets to acquire guys that are free agents to help us get to the playoffs we aren't going to make. You don't want to waste cap space resigning them for hefty contracts so who will fill those roles?

There are dark clouds on the horizon but everybody wants to deny it.

Agree.. People still want to win games this season.. I find that mind boggling with the draft coming up. We really need to reassess. This was a totally lost year. Every move we made has so far failed miserably. The jury is still out on Deng, but the only way I think he stays is if we fire Mike Brown and give him the large contract he's asking for.
 
Re: Kyrie Irving: 2014 All Star Game MVP

I think we've been over this in other threads but you have to be one dense mutha to equate a fan selected all star game to actual level of performance. Not only is he not getting better, he's been inconsistent at best, and a total liability on defense.

Then you add on the fact that his camp has been saying he wants out, his family hates Mike Brown, a GM that is at odds with his head coaches philosophy, and now you have a recipe for disaster. As far as I'm concerned, he should have been traded this last deadline to save the headache of what is about to occur and that is his impending desire to have an opt out clause, a clause Dan Gilbert has no interest in taking on.

Not only that but we are well on our way to missing the playoffs only to have our main guys back within a week or two which will then push us to a mid first round pick with every win. We've wasted assets to acquire guys that are free agents to help us get to the playoffs we aren't going to make. You don't want to waste cap space resigning them for hefty contracts so who will fill those roles?

There are dark clouds on the horizon but everybody wants to deny it.


He still won mvp.Look at the names at the past people who won it? no scrubs win that. Yes his camp wants him out of cleveland? you know? its because we keep fucking losing. If if give him a team, and we start winning, then 99% he'll stay here. winning cures all. Look who we have given him to play with? not one all star other then deng, and thats only been for 2 months. This nexxt year will mean a lot to the cavs. if we build an actually team, dion, tt and bennett develop then he want to stay. I get people our upset and want to blame him for are record because hes the best player... but this is a team game

would you give K love the max?
 
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ESPN was absolutely shitting on the Cavs on TV today. I seriously was so pissed. I get that we haven't made the playoffs with him, but the bias of them wanting him to leave isn't even cleverly veiled. They seem so obvious about it.
 
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Shouldn't Kevin Love not making the playoffs in 6 years be a bigger deal than Kyrie in 3?
 
Re: Kyrie Irving: 2014 All Star Game MVP

Shouldn't Kevin Love not making the playoffs in 6 years be a bigger deal than Kyrie in 3?
kyrie has the luxury of playing in the east.

but yea, love has received a ton of criticism as well. it's just not quite as vocal now because 1) it's sort of old news and 2) playing in the west makes it all the more difficult.
 
ESPN was absolutely shitting on the Cavs on TV today. I seriously was so pissed. I get that we haven't made the playoffs with him, but the bias of them wanting him to leave isn't even cleverly veiled. They seem so obvious about it.

It's easy to see from their perspective. Kyrie is probably the most marketable young player in the NBA. ESPN and the like want him in the playoffs. Every year that doesn't happen, there's no surprise they'd do whatever they can to push him to leave.
 
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