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Dion Waiters Traded

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Grade the Trade (Waiters + Kirk/Amundsen + 2nd rd pick for Smith, Shumpert, and 1st rd pick)

  • A+

    Votes: 18 7.1%

  • A

    Votes: 68 26.7%

  • B

    Votes: 106 41.6%

  • C

    Votes: 44 17.3%

  • D

    Votes: 10 3.9%

  • F

    Votes: 9 3.5%
  • Total voters
    255
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I'm a little concerned as to how Dion will deal with being the 3rd option, or even the 4th if and when Wiggins gets it going. Lebron might have his hands full trying to placate him.
 
Dion is brash, but he really is a smart player. Hell, when he called out Kyrie and Tristan for playing buddy ball, he was right. Kyrie would dribble the air out of the rock rather than pass to Dion. Also, Dion is the one mentioning more passes, 5 guys as a team, a Spurs style machine. I like where his heads at, and I respect his desire to start.
 
thedarkness2332 said:
Also, Dion is the one mentioning more passes, 5 guys as a team, a Spurs style machine. I like where his heads at, and I respect his desire to start.
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He says this but he would the first one to break off a play. Heading straight to the hoop towards two defenders where he fails to finish and screams AYYYY while running back on defense with 70% effort.

That said, if he is still here by training camp, let's see how he fits into Blatt's offense.
 
March 16th Irving got hurt, and missed 8 games. Andy was already out at the time. Waiters took over the offense for the first time in his Cavs career. Waiters did pass the ball around at the time, and the Cavs went 4-4 during that stretch against the Heat, the Rockets, the Thunder, the Pacers, and the Nets. The team never played better last year, even Deng who was pissed that Brown wouldn't hold Kyrie accountable, had a good time.

During the half of Cavs first summer league game, the announcers mentioned four major problems the Cavs had last year. One of the reasons mentioned, was "Kyrie's play was completely selfish, in an attempt to make sure he made the All Star Team." All Waiters did was say, in the locker room what Mike Brown didn't have the balls to say. After Deng had played here ten games, did he ever have another nice thing to say about Kyrie? Nope. Do you thing Lebron doesn't echo Waiters' thought's if the same shit keeps up?
 
stowfan said:
March 16th Irving got hurt, and missed 8 games. Andy was already out at the time. Waiters took over the offense for the first time in his Cavs career. Waiters did pass the ball around at the time, and the Cavs went 4-4 during that stretch against the Heat, the Rockets, the Thunder, the Pacers, and the Nets. The team never played better last year, even Deng who was pissed that Brown wouldn't hold Kyrie accountable, had a good time.

During the half of Cavs first summer league game, the announcers mentioned four major problems the Cavs had last year. One of the reasons mentioned, was "Kyrie's play was completely selfish, in an attempt to make sure he made the All Star Team." All Waiters did was say, in the locker room what Mike Brown didn't have the balls to say. After Deng had played here ten games, did he ever have another nice thing to say about Kyrie? Nope. Do you thing Lebron doesn't echo Waiters' thought's if the same shit keeps up?
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First of all Waiters was handed the keys to the offense after Kyrie's first injury and the Cavs went 1-2 averaging like 89 PPG. The lone victory also had to be one of the ugliest and least deserved victories I'd ever seen, both the Cavs and the Magic played like ass, the Magic were up like 7 or something with like 45 seconds left and they fouled CJ on a 3, turned the ball over twice, not from lockdown Cavs defense but flat out incompetence, and put the Cavs in the position to take it to OT where the Magic completely laid down and scored 2 points the entire period.

Second of all I like how you bring up the Rockets, Thunder, Nets, and Heat games when we lost to all of those teams. The Rockets and Thunder games in particular were absolute butt poundings where the Cavs were down by 30+ before the 4th, so they subbed in their garbage time players and the Cavs made runs to make the score respectable. The Nets game wasn't all that close either.

Our victories were:
@Knicks, Jack went god mode and dropped 30/10, all of his dumb midrange jumpers would not miss
@Detroit, buzzer beater 10-0 run to finish the game win, exciting but hardly a display of fantastic basketball, we beat them with Kyrie once before in a close game and destroyed them after Kyrie came back in our last matchup of the season
@Pacers, good win but the Pacers were dead in the middle of their slump where they didn't even look like a playoff team
@Toronto, good win, fun game

I like Waiters and he played well over this stretch, but I'm sick of this myth that he ran the team better than Kyrie. And Deng had even less nice things to say about Dion so I'm not sure why you even brought that up.
 
VandyCavsFan said:
First of all Waiters was handed the keys to the offense after Kyrie's first injury and the Cavs went 1-2 averaging like 89 PPG. The lone victory also had to be one of the ugliest and least deserved victories I'd ever seen, both the Cavs and the Magic played like ass, the Magic were up like 7 or something with like 45 seconds left and they fouled CJ on a 3, turned the ball over twice, not from lockdown Cavs defense but flat out incompetence, and put the Cavs in the position to take it to OT where the Magic completely laid down and scored 2 points the entire period.

Second of all I like how you bring up the Rockets, Thunder, Nets, and Heat games when we lost to all of those teams. The Rockets and Thunder games in particular were absolute butt poundings where the Cavs were down by 30+ before the 4th, so they subbed in their garbage time players and the Cavs made runs to make the score respectable. The Nets game wasn't all that close either.

Our victories were:
@Knicks, Jack went god mode and dropped 30/10, all of his dumb midrange jumpers would not miss
@Detroit, buzzer beater 10-0 run to finish the game win, exciting but hardly a display of fantastic basketball, we beat them with Kyrie once before in a close game and destroyed them after Kyrie came back in our last matchup of the season
@Pacers, good win but the Pacers were dead in the middle of their slump where they didn't even look like a playoff team
@Toronto, good win, fun game

I like Waiters and he played well over this stretch, but I'm sick of this myth that he ran the team better than Kyrie. And Deng had even less nice things to say about Dion so I'm not sure why you even brought that up.
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So the victories were against 2 playoff teams and a team fighting for the last playoff spot? And how do you know what Deng had to say about any of them? Were you in the locker room?
 
OptimusPrime said:
So the victories were against 2 playoff teams and a team fighting for the last playoff spot? And how do you know what Deng had to say about any of them? Were you in the locker room?
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Toronto was a good win, the Pacers were not a playoff quality team during March, and it's easy to win against any team when your backup PG absolutely goes off and gives you 30/10

I have no idea what Deng actually said, I do know that he mentioned nothing about Kyrie specifically and the reports of Dion being kicked out of practice originated from "Deng's close friend". My point was that it's a completely stupid point to bring up to begin with because there wasn't even a hint of disparaging remarks about Kyrie while there was plenty of smoke about Dion.
 
VandyCavsFan said:
Toronto was a good win, the Pacers were not a playoff quality team during March, and it's easy to win against any team when your backup PG absolutely goes off and gives you 30/10

I have no idea what Deng actually said, I do know that he mentioned nothing about Kyrie specifically and the reports of Dion being kicked out of practice originated from "Deng's close friend". My point was that it's a completely stupid point to bring up to begin with because there wasn't even a hint of disparaging remarks about Kyrie while there was plenty of smoke about Dion.
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so essentially yur trying to make dion a scapegoat because him getting kicked out of practice and playing was used as an example

The locker room overall is what deng complained about and after 10 years in the league one "bad" seed isnt gonna get him riled up.

When asked specifically about Dion Deng stated he justed need to mature and he hasd been talking to him.

Dion then went on to say the team overall has a lot of maturing to do.

Griffin also identified that the young players on the team eneded to appreciate what they have here

This is by and far away not a dion issue but a team issue. Dion just happens to be the poster boy
 
Nefarious Plot said:
so essentially yur trying to make dion a scapegoat because him getting kicked out of practice and playing was used as an example

The locker room overall is what deng complained about and after 10 years in the league one "bad" seed isnt gonna get him riled up.

When asked specifically about Dion Deng stated he justed need to mature and he hasd been talking to him.

Dion then went on to say the team overall has a lot of maturing to do.

Griffin also identified that the young players on the team eneded to appreciate what they have here

This is by and far away not a dion issue but a team issue. Dion just happens to be the poster boy
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I said nothing about Dion's character. The issues were highly overblown by the media. I said it was a ridiculous point to call Kyrie a selfish player because "Deng didn't say any nice things about him" when Deng didn't even mention Kyrie and had little good to say about anyone on the team and actually specifically mentioned Dion.

I personally like Dion. What irritates me is that his biggest fans on this forum tend to make things up to detract from Kyrie instead of just rooting for both and also seem to take it extremely personally when his flaws are pointed out. It leads to poor discussion.
 
VandyCavsFan said:
First of all Waiters was handed the keys to the offense after Kyrie's first injury and the Cavs went 1-2 averaging like 89 PPG. The lone victory also had to be one of the ugliest and least deserved victories I'd ever seen, both the Cavs and the Magic played like ass, the Magic were up like 7 or something with like 45 seconds left and they fouled CJ on a 3, turned the ball over twice, not from lockdown Cavs defense but flat out incompetence, and put the Cavs in the position to take it to OT where the Magic completely laid down and scored 2 points the entire period.

Second of all I like how you bring up the Rockets, Thunder, Nets, and Heat games when we lost to all of those teams. The Rockets and Thunder games in particular were absolute butt poundings where the Cavs were down by 30+ before the 4th, so they subbed in their garbage time players and the Cavs made runs to make the score respectable. The Nets game wasn't all that close either.

Our victories were:
@Knicks, Jack went god mode and dropped 30/10, all of his dumb midrange jumpers would not miss
@Detroit, buzzer beater 10-0 run to finish the game win, exciting but hardly a display of fantastic basketball, we beat them with Kyrie once before in a close game and destroyed them after Kyrie came back in our last matchup of the season
@Pacers, good win but the Pacers were dead in the middle of their slump where they didn't even look like a playoff team
@Toronto, good win, fun game

I like Waiters and he played well over this stretch, but I'm sick of this myth that he ran the team better than Kyrie. And Deng had even less nice things to say about Dion so I'm not sure why you even brought that up.
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I was aware of the first 3 games kyrie missed, but intentionally didn't mention them. Waiters was not "handed the keys to the offense"during those games as you said. By way of example, the game against Orlando you mentioned, Waiters didn't even start. How do you think he was running the offense, sitting on the bench?

http://www.nba.com/tvc/index.html?gamecode=20140102/ORLCLE&brand=CLE
 
stowfan said:
I was aware of the first 3 games kyrie missed, but intentionally didn't mention them. Waiters was not "handed the keys to the offense"during those games as you said. By way of example, the game against Orlando you mentioned, Waiters didn't even start. How do you think he was running the offense, sitting on the bench?

http://www.nba.com/tvc/index.html?gamecode=20140102/ORLCLE&brand=CLE
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There's no way you actually watched Cavs games last year to make this statement. EVERY single time Waiters was in the game while Irving was out, the offense ran through Waiters. Whether he started or not doesn't mean shit. He got plenty of minutes and had more then enough time to show us exactly what his ceiling is in year 2. Guards don't develop as slowly as bigs do--I think we're VERY close to seeing Dion's ceiling.
 
If I was Dion and I watched today's summer league game, I'd understand why he would have the mindset he does. There's no way Dion could watch all the things Wiggins struggled with today and not think that he would be the better starter. It's only natural.
 
NoTitleTown said:
There's no way you actually watched Cavs games last year to make this statement. EVERY single time Waiters was in the game while Irving was out, the offense ran through Waiters. Whether he started or not doesn't mean shit. He got plenty of minutes and had more then enough time to show us exactly what his ceiling is in year 2. Guards don't develop as slowly as bigs do--I think we're VERY close to seeing Dion's ceiling.
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This is not an accurate statement. At all. No one can definitively project a player's ceiling in Year 2 of said player's career. If you really think that Dion Waiter's ceiling is that of a sixth man I question if you "actually watched Cavs games last year"...
 
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NoTitleTown said:
There's no way you actually watched Cavs games last year to make this statement. EVERY single time Waiters was in the game while Irving was out, the offense ran through Waiters. Whether he started or not doesn't mean shit. He got plenty of minutes and had more then enough time to show us exactly what his ceiling is in year 2. Guards don't develop as slowly as bigs do--I think we're VERY close to seeing Dion's ceiling.
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I'm wondering if there's any historical evidence that supports this. A cursory look at current SGs shows that the second year is usually marked by incremental improvement and regression. Rarely do guards reach near their peak during their second year. I'm unsure of where this notion comes from.
 
stowfan said:
I was aware of the first 3 games kyrie missed, but intentionally didn't mention them. Waiters was not "handed the keys to the offense"during those games as you said. By way of example, the game against Orlando you mentioned, Waiters didn't even start. How do you think he was running the offense, sitting on the bench?

http://www.nba.com/tvc/index.html?gamecode=20140102/ORLCLE&brand=CLE
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I'm sure he found plenty of time to run the offense in the 39 minutes he played and 20 shots he took...
 
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