French Terror Attack

King Stannis said:

So, France should never fight wars? Or defend its interests?

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Sure they can. What interests have they been defending in Libya and Syria the last 20 years?

gourimoko said:

Same as African-Americans before we were pacified by new age rap music, VH1, video games, and bitches that can't keep their legs closed.

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Greatness.

And remember, us teenage white kids glom on to everything black people generate from a media and culture standpoint during our tween/teen identity search phase.

Alright...back to observing. It's politics and I don't know my dick from a Dr Dre CD on that.

OptimusPrime said:

Sure they can. What interests have they been defending in Libya and Syria the last 20 years?

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Whatever they deem necessary.

Maybe you are not wrong. In a democracy, the people deserve everything that happens to them.

However, in this case, there are no excuses for what those savages did. None. They were not the vanguard of some liberation army, rather, they are murderers who killed because they are deluded miscreants with a grudge.

OptimusPrime said:

Did I say they had it coming? No innocent people deserve to die. The French government put those people in danger by waging war in foreign lands. The appropriate reaction would be for the French people to fix their government, prosecute anyone left involved in the attack, and get their troops home.

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You are just making shit up in order to blame the French government. Got it.

Based on the information that we have on the situation, it is more likely these known terrorists attacked these people because of the cartoon depictions of Allah. We have no information that they attacked because of the French government.

But go ahead, blame the French for the terrorists primitive views and barbaric tactics.

JSS2306 said:

But go ahead, blame the French for the terrorists primitive views and barbaric tactics.

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I will do so. And you be sure to keep me posted on attacks on Western countries that need to be converted to Sharia Law, that never had a hand in Middle East wars.

OptimusPrime said:

I will do so. And you be sure to keep me posted on attacks on Western countries that need to be converted to Sharia Law, that never had a hand in Middle East wars.

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They attack, slaughter, rape, enslave and behead their own innocent people daily all in the name of Allah and instituting Sharia.

That's all you need to know.

King Stannis said:

Whatever they deem necessary.

Maybe you are not wrong. In a democracy, the people deserve everything that happens to them.

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Whatever they deem necessary? People really have no idea what a just war is anymore do they?

I'm not French, so I don't give a fuck what they do, but assuming the terrorists didn't attack first, which they didn't, then there is no justifiable reason for France to have troops over there. They are the aggressor. Now, if that's what the government wants to do and the people want to do, then this shit will happen. War isn't nice. It is miserable and despicable things happen to both sides. You would hope they would stop fighting so no more innocents die. They won't though.

JSS2306 said:

They attack, slaughter, rape, enslave and behead their own innocent people daily all in the name of Allah and instituting Sharia.

That's all you need to know.

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Who is "they?"

gourimoko said:

Who is "they?"

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Muslim extremist. The same type of people who carried out this act of terror.

JSS2306 said:

Muslim extremist. The same type of people who carried out this act of terror.

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JSS you could replace "Muslim" with anyone and make the same statement. Christian extremists were doing this shit in the 90s in Eastern Europe. Athiests were doing it in Southeast Asia in the 60s and 70s.

Catholics in South America in the 80s.

Extremism isn't an Islamic trait.

OptimusPrime said:

Whatever they deem necessary? People really have no idea what a just war is anymore do they?

I'm not French, so I don't give a fuck what they do, but assuming the terrorists didn't attack first, which they didn't, then there is no justifiable reason for France to have troops over there. They are the aggressor. Now, if that's what the government wants to do and the people want to do, then this shit will happen. War isn't nice. It is miserable and despicable things happen to both sides. You would hope they would stop fighting so no more innocents die. They won't though.

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In your mind, what is a "Just War?"

French troops are in Iraq combating ISIS and providing humanitarian services. Is that not a justifiable action?

I am quite familiar with war and how awful it is.

King Stannis said:

In your mind, what is a "Just War?"

French troops are in Iraq combating ISIS and providing humanitarian services. Is that not a justifiable action?

I am quite familiar with war and how awful it is.

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To be fair, Optimus didn't reference France's actions in Iraq, but elsewhere in the Middle East and Africa.

gourimoko said:

To be fair, Optimus didn't reference France's actions in Iraq, but elsewhere in the Middle East and Africa.

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Libya and Syria. I would say France's involvement in those places is very complicated and beyond the pale of simply saying that they are wrong to be there (the implication anyway). One could say that they intervened to stop a humanitarian catastrophe that would have far outstripped that which has already occurred.

Again, it hinges on what one considers just, non?

King Stannis said:

In your mind, what is a "Just War?"

French troops are in Iraq combating ISIS and providing humanitarian services. Is that not a justifiable action?

I am quite familiar with war and how awful it is.

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Were they aggressively attacked by the countries they have been in and they are just defending themselves? No? Ok, well then why are they there? They didn't like the dictators that were in charge? I guess the situation is better now. The people in those countries have the right to self-determination. If they want to overthrow their dictator they can.

What they don't want is France or the United States to come in and do it, killing numerous innocents, and empowering one group with our weapons and aid, creating enemies out of the rest, and creating civil war. All of the people affected by this will hate the intruders that caused it.

Wars in self defense are justified. Wars to interfere in the affairs of others creates enemies where there were none before.

gourimoko said:

However, in this situation there is no doubt that this publication was indeed quite bigoted and prejudiced towards Arabs and Blacks.

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Well, there clearly is "doubt", else nobody would have asked.

I never heard of this publication until this incident, but given typical European sensibilities, I'd find it odd that an openly racist publication would be defended at all. Nor have I read any accusations that it was racist from those you'd usually think would be making that accusation.

Now, I do know that it is a satirical publication, and likely draws a lot of caricatures of people of various races, religions, whatever. But that doesn't make it racist.

In any case, the attack apparently was for cartoons that were viewed as disrespectful to Muhammed. There was apparently all sorts of online chatter on radical websites discussing attacking them for those cartoons, and the justification was blaspheming Muhammed, not generic racism.

But are you say that those particular cartoons were racist Because if not, anything else they did really isn't relevant.