French Terror Attack

[JSS2306]

Which innocent people are you concerned about? The French ones? Or all of them? Because if the Western countries weren't killing innocent people, they probably wouldn't be either.

It doesn't justify any of it. The terrorists should be brought to justice, just as the French murderers should be. But that isn't how it works, and until someone stops it will just continue.

ISIS is well armed with American weapons, and wouldn't exist without our involvement in Libya and Syria, where we had no business being in the first place. People that are calling for more blood will get it, on both sides.

These people weren't involved in any war and they weren't killed because they are at war. This was an act of terror against innocent civilians some of which were Muslim themselves.

These terrorists aren't killing people because of the West, they are killing people because they are trying to institute Sharia Law. They are religious fanatics and they are slaughtering their own countrymen at much higher rates. Politicizing this in any shape or form is disingenuous.

 

[The Oi]

Jigo... this is wrong. It's counter factual. You realize that in Europe, anti-semitism and Holocaust denial can land you in prison?

The ADL is the most active anti-discrimination organization there is and I ought to know. They have their shit together, big time, and they are extremely active.

The American Israeli Political Action Committee is the most powerful lobby in the United States. They are the very definition of "aggression" in politics, and that's according to George H.W. Bush who thought of them as the most influential organization in Washington.

Ugh.

Just read about the Holocaust denial laws. Was not aware of them. Those are asinine and are indeed all over Europe.

Wasn't aware of the ADL of Israeli Political Action Committee either. I'll be honest...I mostly ignore politics because I never feel like I'm getting real objective opinions.

But for that reason, I appear to have missed the boat on that one.

So Jews do indeed bitch about anti-Semitism in an organized fashion here in the US and Europe.

 

[OptimusPrime]

These people weren't involved in any war and they weren't killed because they are at war. This was an act of terror against innocent civilians some of which were Muslim themselves.

These terrorists aren't killing people because of the West, they are killing people because they are trying to institute Sharia Law. They are religious fanatics and they are slaughtering their own countrymen at much higher rates. Politicizing this in any shape or form is disingenuous.

Yes, you're probably right. They've probably forgiven and forgotten their dead family members that were killed by French troops where they didn't belong.

They will be blowing shit up in Canada and China and Japan anytime now to get those infidels to embrace Sharia Law.

 

[JSS2306]

Yes, you're probably right. They've probably forgiven and forgotten their dead family members that were killed by French troops where they didn't belong.

They will be blowing shit up in Canada and China and Japan anytime now to get those infidels to embrace Sharia Law.

So these known terrorists had family members that were killed by French troops and this is why they attacked?

Please post a link unless you're just making shit up. K, thanks.

 

[gourimoko]

Nope. I'm sure it's not.

Just curious as to your take because you'd described the anti-Islam cartoons as bigotry.

What are your standards for bigotry?

If David Cross jokingly says, "You know what I hate...niggers," to shock a crowd and later expressed distaste for racism, does that make him a bigot?

I honestly have no idea who David Cross is.. I guess it would depend on the situation.

However, in this situation there is no doubt that this publication was indeed quite bigoted and prejudiced towards Arabs and Blacks.

You're describing someone presumably satirizing and/or making light of the racial status quo in our society. That's not what these guys were doing.

Or if Dave Chapelle rips white people for being uptight, racist and shitty at dancing?

Funny you mention Dave Chapelle.

I remember in 2006 telling my friends:

"How can you watch this step and fetch-it Uncle Tom bastard ridicule African-Americans in front of a bunch of White folks?

What the fuck is this shit?!? Turn this shit off!!!"

Everyone thought I was just being "gour..." But you know what happened? The fucking guy finally realized what was going on and even said that was one of the reasons he walked away from the show.

I could care less... but, yeah, I found Dave Chapelle offensive as fuck -- and it didn't have anything to do with offending Whites.

Basically...if something is stated or drawn in a comedic sense, what separates bigotry from pure parody?

I assume intent?

Yep.

I ask because I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with a satirical magazine making fun of Islam, if it was in good fun.

Best of luck...

I firmly believe in the freedom of speech. So to me, there is nothing legally wrong with it. But it is offensive.

Jokes can be offensive. Doesn't matter if the person is trying to be funny or not...

If someone comes up to me and starts rambling off Black jokes, that's not going to end well. Even if he thought it was a way to be funny...

Not funny to me.

Someone post the cartoons, please. Were they genuinely bad?

They've had some really foul cartoons.

And were they in the mix with other groups being made fun of?

They never made fun of the majority of their readers... just the folks they didn't think would be buying an issue to begin with.

And did the group making fun of all other groups also make fun of themselves?

No.

 

[gourimoko]

I'm reading and seeing same anti-Muslim opinions on another board. I'll preface by saying I am not anti-Islam/Muslim at all. I have very good friends who practice. However, this study was pointed out to me by a guy suggesting these aren't "extremist", but rather quite common actions/beliefs for those who practice. It was quite surprising to me to be honest. Curious to your opinion on the study.

http://pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

Arabs and Muslims are more prone to Jihad or extremist action due to a sense of historic oppression.

Same as African-Americans before we were pacified by new age rap music, VH1, video games, and bitches that can't keep their legs closed.

But with that said, it isn't quite common to buy automatic weapons and storm news agencies.

 

[OptimusPrime]

So these known terrorists had family members that were killed by French troops and this is why they attacked?

Please post a link unless you're just making shit up. K, thanks.

If it wasn't their own family they were recruited by someone else who lost family. Why do you think they say each terrorist we kill creates 5 new ones?

I'll wait for your update on the upcoming attacks in Denmark and New Zealand all of the other non-NATO, non-Sharia governments of the world.

 

[Man Called X]

Arabs and Muslims are more prone to Jihad or extremist action due to a sense of historic oppression.

Same as African-Americans before we were pacified by new age rap music, VH1, video games, and bitches that can't keep their legs closed.

Speaking of which, I think it's time for the Jews to go on a killing spree.

 

[JSS2306]

If it wasn't their own family they were recruited by someone else who lost family. Why do you think they say each terrorist we kill creates 5 new ones?

I'll wait for your update on the upcoming attacks in Denmark and New Zealand all of the other non-NATO, non-Sharia governments of the world.

Where's the link to this information? Are you saying you are indeed just throwing out false information to make a point that somehow the French had it coming?

Because that's exactly what you're saying.

 

[gourimoko]

Speaking of which, I think it's time for the Jews to go on a killing spree.

Give it about ..... 4-5 weeks?

 

[OptimusPrime]

Speaking of which, I think it's time for the Jews to go on a killing spree.

They kill plenty of Palestinians every other day. We don't have the money to fund any more than that.

 

[Sebastian]

I had rather hoped that this wouldn't happen:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-kebab-shop-near-Muslim-temple-blown-up.html

 

[OptimusPrime]

Where's the link to this information? Are you saying you are indeed just throwing out false information to make a point that somehow the French had it coming?

Because that's exactly what you're saying.

Did I say they had it coming? No innocent people deserve to die. The French government put those people in danger by waging war in foreign lands. The appropriate reaction would be for the French people to fix their government, prosecute anyone left involved in the attack, and get their troops home.

 

[kosis]

Speaking of which, I think it's time for the Jews to go on a killing spree.

They just did a few months back. But it was the kind that no one cared about, because it was Arab children and not white cartoonists.

 

[Sebastian]

Did I say they had it coming? No innocent people deserve to die. The French government put those people in danger by waging war in foreign lands. The appropriate reaction would be for the French people to fix their government, prosecute anyone left involved in the attack, and get their troops home.

So, France should never fight wars? Or defend its interests?