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AZ_ said:
He's certainly not going to start next season for OSU, he's got a family to provide for, he's already four years removed from high school.
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I think he will. He made OSU's offense much more dynamic. I think a dual QB system is in OSU's future for next season.
 
I-77 NORTH said:
Wilbon must be off his rocker, than. Other sports analyst's sitting around replied in awe, but he was pretty sure on his statement.
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He's a writer with a television show, I'm not going to pretend he's an NFL expert.
 
It's pretty silly to think Jones can go into the NFL and be successful even at a normal pace. It's going to take him a long time to adjust if he ever can. I'd absolutely take a flier on him with a 4th rounder but nothing more than that because he's going to take so long to develop.

Plus he's going to develop with only 3 college games under his belt and his only 'action' is going to be from running scout team and preseason games. Not the easiest thing to do.
 
The way I look at it, Logan Thomas was a fourth round pick purely on measurables and physical potential, despite a ton of horrible tape. No reason to think Cardale isn't at least a 4th rounder with better physical tools and a limited amount of good tape.
 
The problem is that if we draft him to be our developmental third-stringer, he's a lock to be starting by week 14. Such is life in Cleveland.
 
Jack Brickman said:
The problem is that if we draft him to be our developmental third-stringer, he's a lock to be starting by week 14. Such is life in Cleveland.
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We already have one of those, his name is Johnny Manziel.
 
I'm kind of confused by this whole argument that Cardale can't do it because he's only played 3 games because what did 2 full years of playing do for Johnny?

Urban's system has produced one steady pro guy in Alex Smith, and it took him a while to even get there, so how do we know that playing a bunch in a college system is going to help him in the NFL?

To me, the NFL is about finding guys that have certain tools, and then hoping that your coaches can develop those tools. Time and time again it's been proven that past college success means nothing in the NFL.
 
It's been pretty well proven that a certain level of collegiate experience, combined with those tools, results in a higher rate of success.

You're fully taking out one half of that equation and hoping for the best.

To me, that's a 3-4 year project at a minimum.
 
AZ_ said:
hoping for the best
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Aren't teams always hoping for the best?

There are very few guys that are locks coming out of college. Even Mariota has doubts despite playing a ton in college.

Listen, by no means would I feel totally comfortable drafting Cardale because it would much better to have more tape on him, but if you are willing to be patient I think he has just as much of a chance as any QB this year.
 
spydy13 said:
Aren't teams always hoping for the best?

There are very few guys that are locks coming out of college. Even Mariota has doubts despite playing a ton in college.

Listen, by no means would I feel totally comfortable drafting Cardale because it would much better to have more tape on him, but if you are willing to be patient I think he has just as much of a chance as any QB this year.
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Mariota has doubts on skill-set, not experience.

Cardale has doubts on both, honestly. You can't just be a big arm in the NFL. He's as raw as it gets.

There's just simply no way a team is going to expect him to play, but in terms of natural talent he's got as much as anyone in the draft at the position.

But his lack of experience and understanding of the other things associated with the QB position make him a mid-round project.
 
b00bie beat me to the punch. If you look back at the history of college QBs and their success in the pros, there is a correlation to the number of starts a prospect has and how he does at the NFL level. It's not the end all be all stat but there are few if any who have had success at the pro level who have had less than 2 years starting college experience. I don't believe there is even 1 example of a college QB with 1 year of starting experience that had any kind of success at the NFL level. Now layer in Jones' whopping 3 games and the deck is certainly stacked against him.
 
Phills14 said:
b00bie beat me to the punch. If you look back at the history of college QBs and their success in the pros, there is a correlation to the number of starts a prospect has and how he does at the NFL level. It's not the end all be all stat but there are few if any who have had success at the pro level who have had less than 2 years starting college experience. I don't believe there is even 1 example of a college QB with 1 year of starting experience that had any kind of success at the NFL level. Now layer in Jones' whopping 3 games and the deck is certainly stacked against him.
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Matt Cassel.

That's an extreme outlier, just like Cardale would be. Just pointing out that it has been done.
 
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