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Is Kevin Love a Hero for Saving a Dog?

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 48.3%
  • Too Right!

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Hotter than Jimmy G

    Votes: 15 25.9%
  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 13 22.4%

  • Total voters
    58
If we win the title it was totally worth it. Table the contact discussion until after the playoffs?

So if we won a title, hypothetically, and Kevin Love was injured... Was it still "totally worth it?"

I ask because, it seems like no matter what, the ends will have justified the means using this logic; which is of course, illogical.
 
I mentioned multiple layers of an offensive system before. Loves value to the Cavs is as a spacer on the first level offense and post/cutter on the second level when spacing and drives to the basket break down.

Last night with spacing shitting down it would of been good to see the half court offense develop but Delly for whatever reason didnt trust the offense to develop and it cost them a run.

Love is still struggling with confidence in his role on the team. he gets easily frustrated when he does come in and doesnt get the ball but he has to learn to keep at it If love is gonna step up it needs to be within the system not changing the system when people are out... this is how teams still maintain success when guys are out. it didnt work out against the pacers but that doesnt mean it wasnt the best option. the guys played poorly as a team so lost as a team.

speaking of playing as a team


On Court / Off Court stats from 02/18/2015
Many stats are shown on a 'per 48 minute' basis
Stat ON Court OFF Court Net
Minutes 1805 838 68%
Offense: Pts per 100 Poss. 113.0 109.2 +3.9
Defense: Pts per 100 Poss. 107.1 112.2 -5.1
Net Points per 100 Possessions +5.9 -3.0 +8.9
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<tr><td>2</td><td> Irving-JR.Smith-James-Love-Mozgov</td><td>194.5 </td><td>1.21 </td><td>0.96 </td><td>+92 </td><td>11 </td><td>2 </td><td>84.6</td></tr>
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<tr><td>4</td><td> Irving-Waiters-James-Love-Varejao</td><td>84.1 </td><td>1.04 </td><td>1.12 </td><td>-11 </td><td>4 </td><td>10 </td><td>28.5</td></tr>
<tr><td>5</td><td> Irving-Miller-James-Love-Varejao</td><td>65.5 </td><td>1.15 </td><td>1.10 </td><td>+0 </td><td>5 </td><td>6 </td><td>45.4</td></tr>
<tr><td>6</td><td> Irving-Waiters-James-Love-Thompson</td><td>62.2 </td><td>1.20 </td><td>0.93 </td><td>+28 </td><td>11 </td><td>8 </td><td>57.8</td></tr>
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There is just so much wrong with a lot of these comments that I won't even try to address them. The bottom line is that Love had 17 pts / 10 reb / 3 ass / 2 stl / 2 blk in the game. I'll take those numbers any day considering the guy played without the two other stars on the team. Hell, we almost won the damn game.

Come on now. Did you watch the game? It took the guy 19 shots to get 17 points, and he got punked by the likes of Luis Scola for a couple of boards when we needed them. Delly had 14 points 10 rebounds 5 assists taking 18 shots in that game, does that double-double make him an all star?

In answer to Gourimoko's question on whether Love is worth a max contract *to the Cavaliers* -- I'd say yes. But I'm not sure any other team would pay him that after watching him this year. The reason why he's worth it to us has nothing to do with our sunk costs (you shouldn't pay attention to past costs, only to the future). The reason is that even if we let him go we wouldn't have any cap room. So it seems like we are basically stuck with him or whoever we can get for the vet minimum. And he does contribute to the team, even if maybe not at a max level. Certainly he's better than anyone else we could get if we stay capped out. The only way we should let him go would be in a sign and trade, and it's by no means clear we could get value for him.
 
What is constructive about tearing down one of our own players? The point of being a fan isn't to provide objective analysis. He's giving his best effort and that's all that should matter to you.
 
Why are people in here acting like Love hasn't had any fantastic games? He has. "I've been waiting for a statement game!" and "Bosh would have games even with LBJ playing where he would go off..." [implying Love has had no games where he did very well] leave me scratching my head when Love has had some statistically stellar games this season. Just not 2-3 a week like some of you seem to want from a guy who is 3rd option on this team and manages to contribute in other ways.
 
I don't think there is any doubt another team will offer him the max. But the difference between what the Cavs can give on a 5 year max and what another team can pay him on a 4 year max is not insignificant for a player like Love who doesn't make a huge amount on endorsements. Of course, Love can also gamble and sign a 2 year deal with the second year a player option, and try to cash in on 2016. If he wants to risk the short term contract, that strategy might actually make the most sense for him, both financially and professionally.

The fact the Cavs have kept the Haywood contract does provide them some insurance in the event Love does leave. (My personal belief is he will return, but it's too soon for anyone to know for certain.) The Cavs could, for instance, flip the Haywood contract for David Lee, who will be in the final year of his contract and will be owed $15.5M. It's been rumored Golden State will want to cut costs if Draymond Green gets a max or near max contract. When healthy this year, Lee has actually been good. But that's just one example.
 
Love is still struggling with confidence in his role on the team. he gets easily frustrated when he does come in and doesnt get the ball but he has to learn to keep at it

I've never seen Kevin express frustration about not getting the ball.

I went and re-watched the Indiana game. Kevin was playing fundamentally sound but appeared abit fatigued from the Golden State game [and he stated as such in the post-game] so his shots just weren't falling. And he certainly kept at it.
 
I've never seen Kevin express frustration about not getting the ball.

I went and re-watched the Indiana game. Kevin was playing fundamentally sound but appeared abit fatigued from the Golden State game [and he stated as such in the post-game] so his shots just weren't falling. And he certainly kept at it.
Wow so Kevin Love must be the only NBA PLAYER EVER to not to express frustration during the course of a basketball.

I have seen Love call for the ball several times and show a look of exasperation when he didnt get the ball. Ive seen him go talk to teammates after getting the ball throughout the season.

Im not sure what your counter is here outside of saying im wrong for stating that Love did not play perfect basketball

nowhere did i say he did not play fundamentally sound basketball nor did i imply or infer he didnt put in effort.

Love has alot of roles to juggle on the offensive end. he is still learning when to do what and the teammates are still learning when he is gonna do what.now the 2nd quarter of the indiana game was a point of reference not the basis of a conclusion.
At least we agree whatever the reason for Love not cutting in for those high percentage shots he did so well at minnesota be it fatigued or not getting the ball when he makes an effort to do it is something to be addressed and Love could play a part in improving
 
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I have seen Love call for the ball several times and show a look of exasperation when he didnt get the ball. Ive seen him go talk to teammates after getting the ball throughout the season.

Really? When?
 
Well this thread is very Heat with Bosh like,
 
Wow so Kevin Love must be the only NBA EVER to not to express frustration during the course of a basketball.

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Need a big game today. No kyrie so LeBron will need the help
 

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