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The best players in the 2013 draft may very well end up being the #15 pick (The Greek Freak) and the #27 pick (Rudy Gobert). Sure you could argue that it was Grant's job to determine that and select 1 of them at #1. But I think the fact that you have to go so far down the draft board demonstrates how true it is that 2013 was a year to trade down if you had a decent offer. Now I guess the argument is whether or not you consider #1 for #12 & Jeremy Lamb a decent offer (it's been hinted several times on RCF that this offer was on table).
 
qaws23 said:
The non-basketball people were right though. There was a number pick. It was Grant's job to be able to find it. He had the option to select guys that were considered worthy of a top 5 selection at the time in Len, Noel and Oladipo. He chose Anthony Bennett instead.
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No. Those 3 weren't worthy of a #1. The best value was to trade down. Len had Yao/Z's feet when the Cav's scanned them. The doctors also said that Noel's knees would never hold up in the NBA.

As far as Oladipo goes, yes, he's putting up some decent numbers on a shitty team. But, by almost no one's metric was/is he worth #1.
http://www.82games.com/1415/1415ORL1.HTM
 
Maximus said:
No. Those 3 weren't worthy of a #1. The best value was to trade down. Len had Yao/Z's feet when the Cav's scanned them. The doctors also said that Noel's knees would never hold up in the NBA.

As far as Oladipo goes, yes, he's putting up some decent numbers on a shitty team. But, by almost no one's metric was/is he worth #1.
http://www.82games.com/1415/1415ORL1.HTM
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What would have been a likely trade down move? Move back a few spots and pick up a veteran? Or were they planning to move down much further?
 
gourimoko said:
What are you talking about, Dan Gilbert was involved in almost all of the poor decision making throughout Grant's tenure here.
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I feel like we're not speaking the same language. I am talking about the exact words I posted that you just replied to. We didn't hear a damn thing about Dan Gilbert during the entire Brown/Ferry five year period. He doesn't have an opinion about the 28th pick in the draft and the personnel decisions are LeBron's. There's just not much meddling to do when you're capped out.

And again, the point is, he did not do it the last time LeBron was here. Because again, there wasn't really much that could be done.
 
Anglefan said:
We didn't hear a damn thing about Dan Gilbert during the entire Brown/Ferry five year period.
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Ferry took the job with the guarantee that he would have 100% control of personnel decisions. Gilbert broke the spirit of that rule multiple times down the stretch behind Ferry's back. Gilbert also refused to reel in Lebron, his mom and his posse over the years when Ferry urged Gilbert not to give them unlimited control. When Ferry's contract was up for renewal, Gilbert said he wanted to play GM too and wasn't going to give Ferry 100% control anymore. Ferry said "have fun" and walked. Grant took the job over without having total control...Gilbert was free to play GM at times...and did.
 
Anglefan said:
Yes you were. You bolded "What's not to like?" and then asked if that gave away who he was referring to. Why would you bold "What's not to like?" if you weren't referencing Nick Gilbert?
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Let's clear this up. I wasn't referring to Nick. Dan says that line all the time too.
 
Anglefan said:
I feel like we're not speaking the same language. I am talking about the exact words I posted that you just replied to. We didn't hear a damn thing about Dan Gilbert during the entire Brown/Ferry five year period. He doesn't have an opinion about the 28th pick in the draft and the personnel decisions are LeBron's. There's just not much meddling to do when you're capped out.

And again, the point is, he did not do it the last time LeBron was here. Because again, there wasn't really much that could be done.
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But that really wasn't my question. My question was whether or not the meddling Max is referring to is Dan Gilbert.

It's really that simple. If you feel like we're speaking two languages, stop, re-read what I'm asking, and then it should be straight forward.

If you're saying Gilbert didn't meddle in Cavaliers affairs, and he isn't the "non-basketball person" that Max is referring to, that's fine. I'm asking the question, not implying an answer.

My own view is that Max is talking about Gilbert, as @David. and others has also said. Are you saying this isn't true?
 
Of course it's Gilbert that he's referring to! You're not READING what I'm saying. Why is it so hard for you to read the actual words that are being posted in response to you? It's as though you just view being replied to as an excuse for you to type more words whether they have anything to do with what the person said or not.

AGAIN, we heard NOTHING about Gilbert meddling during the Ferry/Brown era. If you disagree, please list what he meddled in. The point is, this situation is more comparable to that than the past four years. That's the reason to believe the meddling is over. Because he didn't do it before in the exact same circumstance.
 
Anglefan said:
Of course it's Gilbert that he's referring to! You're not READING what I'm saying. Why is it so hard for you to read the actual words that are being posted in response to you? It's as though you just view being replied to as an excuse for you to type more words whether they have anything to do with what the person said or not.
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What's with the hostility dude? Like I said a few days ago, take a step back.

You said something about Nick Gilbert, when no one but you was talking about him. Max was talking about Dan as was I. I clarified, he clarified, that's over.

Anglefan said:
AGAIN, we heard NOTHING about Gilbert meddling during the Ferry/Brown era.
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But I said this: "Dan Gilbert was involved in almost all of the poor decision making throughout Grant's tenure here."

I also disagree with the assertion that Gilbert didn't meddle during the Brown era; Max just said he did, for the umpteenth time.

Anglefan said:
If you disagree, please list what he meddled in. The point is, this situation is more comparable to that than the past four years. That's the reason to believe the meddling is over. Because he didn't do it before in the exact same circumstance.
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But he did.. it's been said again in post #5181.

Enough of this... it's mindless.
 
I said from the beginning that I read your original point wrong and you even had to argue with me when I had admitted to that. The hostility is that you're being unbearably insufferable and not listening.

I said we didn't hear anything about Gilbert meddling during the Ferry/Brown era, which we didn't. It's not an assertion that he didn't meddle, it's a statement that we didn't hear anything about him meddling. You're not grasping the difference between a team with unlimited flexibility and high draft picks and the situation we're in now. Did he meddle in the Kevin Love, Mike Miller, James Jones, Shawn Marion, JR Smith, or Mozgov moves? It's time to put the last four years behind us and stop looking for things to be paranoid about.

Did you hear anything about him meddling so far this season? I haven't. Why try to create that discussion?
 
First off, keep the hostility to yourself.

Anglefan said:
I said we didn't hear anything about Gilbert meddling during the Ferry/Brown era, which we didn't. It's not an assertion that he didn't meddle, it's a statement that we didn't hear anything about him meddling.
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Yes we did, but whatever; I don't need to argue this point, it's been reiterated on this page.

Anglefan said:
You're not grasping the difference between a team with unlimited flexibility and high draft picks and the situation we're in now. Did he meddle in the Kevin Love, Mike Miller, James Jones, Shawn Marion, JR Smith, or Mozgov moves?
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I'm just responding to the one guy in this thread who actually knows what the hell he's talking about.

Anglefan said:
It's time to put the last four years behind us and stop looking for things to be paranoid about.
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Why are you telling me this? I just asked a question.

Anglefan said:
Did you hear anything about him meddling so far this season?
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Yes.

Anglefan said:
I haven't.
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Cool.

Anglefan said:
Why try to create that discussion?
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Last I checked the post that created the discussion was #5156, my name isn't on that post.

All I asked was "are you talking about who I think you're talking about?" The answer was implied, as a yes. I also asked "has the situation improved or worsened since "The Return?"

Again, I have no clue why you're directing this towards me for asking such a simple question. You want to answer for the insider, that's cool, but personally I'm interested to hear what he's got to say.
 
Thanks for sharing @Maximus .

What still is unexplained though is above all the Waiters pick. If you look at the later picks as well (Zeller, Karasev, 2nd rounders), they were pretty much swings and misses.
 
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