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Tristan Thompson
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They haven't changed. Thompson is only good at offensive rebounding. Every other facet of the game he is average or below average. The guys on your list all make decent amounts of money because they do multiple things well, on top of offensive rebounding. Randolph's elite post play, Chandler and Gobert rim protect with the best of them, Cousins put up 25/13 last season.
No player in the history of the NBA probably has ever made as much as Tristan has made while being such an incomplete basketball player.
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Go find players who provide Tristan's stat line (Offensive rebounds, rebounds, points, blocks, FG%, FT%, ORB%, PER, GP, etc.) and come back and tell me if those INDIVIDUAL players are easily acquirable.
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$80 million is a stretch and $90 million would be too much at this point, but TT can only improve and while he's already a plus player, I feel that TT can improve his offense and defense incrementally to become a very good value player for that contract, especially in light of the impending cap increase. He's unique in many ways and it will not take much for him to become a true impact player.
OFFENSE
TT's ORPM is 1.85, 10th highest among 167 PFs and Cs. Duncan, both Gasols, Love (after injury), Cousins, Bosh, Horford, Whiteside all have lower ORPMs. How in the hell is that possible when he has no offensive skill? Andrew Bogut shed some insight during the Finals when he said that even though Thompson doesn't shoot threes, he still spaces the floor by forcing Bogut to stay in contact with him because if he doesn't maintain contact with TT, Bogut would be out of position when TT crashed the glass for ORebs. When you watch TT operate, he'll hang around on the perimeter or at least 15 feet out and if opponents don't keep contact, he grabs ORebs. The Delly/Shump/LBJ/TT/Moz defensive monster lineup also had an impressive ORTG of 118 and that was with NO spacing via a stretch four. TT played a big role in that.
TT is excellent in pick and roll. 49 players had 120+ possessions in which they set a pick and rolled. Out of those 49, TT has the second highest PPP.
1. Tyson Chandler 1.41 PPP
2. Tristan Thompson 1.25 PPP
6. Anthony Davis 1.16 PPP
10. Chris Bosh 1.07 PPP
16. M. Gasol 1.02 PPP
21. Cousins .99 PPP
32. Pau Gasol .93 PPP
34. Blake Griffin .92 PPP
TT finishes in transition when he gets the opportunities. TT has the second highest PPP (1.58) produced in transition with those who have 45 such possessions.
1. Gortat
2. TT
3. AD
Now, with that said, he can certainly improve his ORPM. One way is by converting on putback opportunities. Tristan had 167 such possessions. He made only 55 of 134 shots, was fouled or turned it over on the rest. He produced .82 PPP on putbacks, BOTTOM 11% in the league. 34 players in the NBA had 100 or more such putback possessions and Tristan was dead last out of those players in PPP.
LMA: 1.37 PPP, top 5%
AD: 1.29 PPP, top 11%
PGasol: 1.25 PPP, top 18%
Jonas V.: 1.24 PPP, top 18%
Tyson C: 1.20 PPP, top 20%
Noah: .86 PPP, bottom 17%
Zeller: .82 PPP, bottom 11%
TT: .82 PPP, bottom 11%
He can get his FT% back up to 69-70%.
He can continue to become a viable post scorer when he has favorable matchups. During the regualr season, his post play produced .79 PPP, bottom 40% in the league. In the playoffs, it was 1.20, top 5%. He has to continue to be able to punish small ball lineups like he did when given the chance against the GSW.
Anything else is gravy. Towards the end of the season, he was able to catch the ball in space and then work his way towards a push shot which could be very effective down the road. A reliable jumpshot? I hope one day.
DEFENSE
His defensive rebounding needs work as does his help defense. His -.42 DRPM is terrible for a big and is a function of primarily his defensive rebounding (more defensive rebounds from TT end offensive possessions for the opposition)and poor help defense. His DRPM is below the DRPM of Diaw, Brook Lopez, Al Jefferson, and Pekovic, 125th out of 167 bigs.
Out of players who played at least 1000 minutes last season, he is 65th in DRB%, behind guys like Giannis, Sullinger, Ed Davis, Kidd-Gilchrist, and Draymond Green.
136 players played 140+ defensive possessions in which they challenged spot up shooters. TT was 103rd out of 136 players.
He does well when guarding the roll man in pick and roll, giving up .68 PPP, top 19% in the league.
We know he can switch out and defend reasonably well on the perimeter. In ISO, he gives up .77 PPP, good for 16th best in the NBA, ahead of players such as Ariza, Klay, Wiggins, Giannis, Noel, DeAndre, and John Wall.
He defends the post well, allowing .78 PPP, 11th best out of 29 players who have played at least 150 defensive possessions.
Lastly, rim protection. Last year, he allowed an ugly 58% at the rim. This year, he allowed 52.2% at the rim which is great improvement. If he can get that number to 50%, it would be great for this team. With good coaching and LeBron's demands, I see him improving his rotations and help defense.
SUMMARY
TT is already a plus player and without drastic improvements, can easily become a +2.5 or even +3 RPM guy, putting him in the top 45 to top 60 of all impact players which is great for a team that has an LBJ, Love, and Kyrie.
OFFENSE
TT's ORPM is 1.85, 10th highest among 167 PFs and Cs. Duncan, both Gasols, Love (after injury), Cousins, Bosh, Horford, Whiteside all have lower ORPMs. How in the hell is that possible when he has no offensive skill? Andrew Bogut shed some insight during the Finals when he said that even though Thompson doesn't shoot threes, he still spaces the floor by forcing Bogut to stay in contact with him because if he doesn't maintain contact with TT, Bogut would be out of position when TT crashed the glass for ORebs. When you watch TT operate, he'll hang around on the perimeter or at least 15 feet out and if opponents don't keep contact, he grabs ORebs. The Delly/Shump/LBJ/TT/Moz defensive monster lineup also had an impressive ORTG of 118 and that was with NO spacing via a stretch four. TT played a big role in that.
TT is excellent in pick and roll. 49 players had 120+ possessions in which they set a pick and rolled. Out of those 49, TT has the second highest PPP.
1. Tyson Chandler 1.41 PPP
2. Tristan Thompson 1.25 PPP
6. Anthony Davis 1.16 PPP
10. Chris Bosh 1.07 PPP
16. M. Gasol 1.02 PPP
21. Cousins .99 PPP
32. Pau Gasol .93 PPP
34. Blake Griffin .92 PPP
TT finishes in transition when he gets the opportunities. TT has the second highest PPP (1.58) produced in transition with those who have 45 such possessions.
1. Gortat
2. TT
3. AD
Now, with that said, he can certainly improve his ORPM. One way is by converting on putback opportunities. Tristan had 167 such possessions. He made only 55 of 134 shots, was fouled or turned it over on the rest. He produced .82 PPP on putbacks, BOTTOM 11% in the league. 34 players in the NBA had 100 or more such putback possessions and Tristan was dead last out of those players in PPP.
LMA: 1.37 PPP, top 5%
AD: 1.29 PPP, top 11%
PGasol: 1.25 PPP, top 18%
Jonas V.: 1.24 PPP, top 18%
Tyson C: 1.20 PPP, top 20%
Noah: .86 PPP, bottom 17%
Zeller: .82 PPP, bottom 11%
TT: .82 PPP, bottom 11%
He can get his FT% back up to 69-70%.
He can continue to become a viable post scorer when he has favorable matchups. During the regualr season, his post play produced .79 PPP, bottom 40% in the league. In the playoffs, it was 1.20, top 5%. He has to continue to be able to punish small ball lineups like he did when given the chance against the GSW.
Anything else is gravy. Towards the end of the season, he was able to catch the ball in space and then work his way towards a push shot which could be very effective down the road. A reliable jumpshot? I hope one day.
DEFENSE
His defensive rebounding needs work as does his help defense. His -.42 DRPM is terrible for a big and is a function of primarily his defensive rebounding (more defensive rebounds from TT end offensive possessions for the opposition)and poor help defense. His DRPM is below the DRPM of Diaw, Brook Lopez, Al Jefferson, and Pekovic, 125th out of 167 bigs.
Out of players who played at least 1000 minutes last season, he is 65th in DRB%, behind guys like Giannis, Sullinger, Ed Davis, Kidd-Gilchrist, and Draymond Green.
136 players played 140+ defensive possessions in which they challenged spot up shooters. TT was 103rd out of 136 players.
He does well when guarding the roll man in pick and roll, giving up .68 PPP, top 19% in the league.
We know he can switch out and defend reasonably well on the perimeter. In ISO, he gives up .77 PPP, good for 16th best in the NBA, ahead of players such as Ariza, Klay, Wiggins, Giannis, Noel, DeAndre, and John Wall.
He defends the post well, allowing .78 PPP, 11th best out of 29 players who have played at least 150 defensive possessions.
Lastly, rim protection. Last year, he allowed an ugly 58% at the rim. This year, he allowed 52.2% at the rim which is great improvement. If he can get that number to 50%, it would be great for this team. With good coaching and LeBron's demands, I see him improving his rotations and help defense.
SUMMARY
TT is already a plus player and without drastic improvements, can easily become a +2.5 or even +3 RPM guy, putting him in the top 45 to top 60 of all impact players which is great for a team that has an LBJ, Love, and Kyrie.
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Again, @priceFTW...share that post you had in S34 with this man who thinks Tristan is "only good at offensive rebounding".
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I don't think Monroe is that good.
I think the Faried comparison is a good one for TT. Both are energy guys who look really good when they have talent around them. Many were disappointed in Faried this year, but that's only because Denver sucked. It's the same way many viewed TT prior to this year. They have skills that are valuable on contenders, but not so much on lesser teams. In a vacuum, Tristan should be looking at Faried money. However, circumstances will allow him to get paid much more.
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Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes 46s46 seconds ago
Not a vast gap between Tristan Thompson and #Cavs, I'm told. No animosity, it's just part of the process. Striking deal ongoing.
Not a vast gap between Tristan Thompson and #Cavs, I'm told. No animosity, it's just part of the process. Striking deal ongoing.
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Do you even watch the games? Tristan is incredible at boxing out -- which is opposed to your claim that "he never boxes out" -- is an incredible rebounder, is becoming a very good pnr/switch defender (let's not forget who was switching on to Steph Curry in Delly's good games), guards 3pt shooting big men well, is athletic, and most importantly, Lebron wants him.
Does he have his faults? Absolutely. He has a limited offensive game and is a below average free throw shoot. For all of his leaping ability he is kind of slow. And he is not an elite defender.
I get it, you don't like his contract. That's fine, $80 mil+ is a ton of money. But rather than whining about it why don't you answer two questions: first, who are you replacing him with? And secondly, why the hell do you care if Gilbert doesn't?
The dilemma here is that you have been high and mighty about how his contract is ridiculous, but because we will be over the cap for at least the next two years, we can't sign FAs who aren't already on our team. You want to replace him with Haywood? Okay, fine, but then we won't be getting a backup wing and/or point guard for the contract. Replace with the vet minimum? Okay, we saw how crappy Miller and Marion were this year, vets are a crap shoot. So please, please enlighten us what you would do?
Monroe, 15.9 ppg, 10.2 rpg. 2.1 apg. and you don't like him?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4722/
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Raw stats don't tell the whole story.
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I'll certainly never forget how Curry made every single 3 he took with Thompson guarding him, or how Rose's buzzer beater was over him.
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What was his RPM overall? Can you rank that for 1) overall players and then 2) PF and C positions? I'm trying to figure out what plus player means, and how many plus players there are overall. Thank you very much in advance.
Edit - I just re-read your summary. Are you saying he is not even in the top 60 players? And he wants $80 million?!?
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