Kyrie Irving

spydy13 said:

Maybe it's just a (over)reaction to everyone claiming that they rushed him/didn't take his previous injury seriously?

I don't think it necessarily has to be an indictment on the status of his recovery.

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I'd buy that, if they said this closer to the start of the regular season, but it's too strange to say this in August. They've not even come to training camp yet.

But maybe the Cavs are over exaggerating, and they really think it's going to be a couple a weeks (after the start of the season). But said till Jan as worst case scenario. Being not only cautious with Kyrie, but being cautious with publicly releasing the time table, too.

It's just odd to me, to project a guy being possibly out for another 2 months, just to be safe, if he's moving along just fine in rehab.

How can they know how he'll be in two months from now, to feel certain it's best to take another 2 months, just to be "safe"? That's just too extreme!

You'd push him back two weeks, if you want to be safe, after he's 110 cleared to play and back to full health. 2 months is extreme.

Especially given the Cavs released the statement they want 'Bron play fewer minutes this season. You can't do that with Kyrie out that long. It just doesn't add up to me.

godfather said:

I'd buy that, if they said this closer to the start of the regular season, but it's too strange to say this in August. They've not even come to training camp yet.

But maybe the Cavs are over exaggerating, and the really think it's going to be a couple a weeks. But said till Jan as worst case scenario.

It's just odd to me, to project a guy being possibly out for another 2 months, just to be safe, if he's moving along just fine in rehab.

How can they know how he'll be in two months from now, to feel certain it's best to take another 2 months, just to be "safe"? That's just too extreme!

You'd push him back two weeks, if you want to be safe, after he's 110 cleared to play and back to full health. 2 months is extreme.

Especially given the Cavs released the statement they want 'Bron play fewer minutes this season. You can't do that with Kyrie out that long. It just doesn't add up to me.

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Putting his potential comeback time out that far means that if he comes back early it's on Kyrie, so dred and his agent can't storm locker rooms and bitch about the Cavs not caring about Kyrie.

Their schedule doesn't get hard until late December anyways, so they can afford to bring him along slowly if that's what he needs. I think people are forgetting how good we were in the period after getting Moz, Swish, and Shump. We blew a lot of teams out in that period, even while we were easing lebron's load after the struggle in the first half of the year.

With everyone healthy we could legitimately go 25-5 up to Christmas. With Kyrie out we probably go 20-10 or maybe a little below that.

Either way, I'm not going to be concerned about this until he somehow doesn't come back in January.

spydy13 said:

Putting his potential comeback time out that far means that if he comes back early it's on Kyrie, so dred and his agent can't storm locker rooms and bitch about the Cavs not caring about Kyrie.

Their schedule doesn't get hard until late December anyways, so they can afford to bring him along slowly if that's what he needs. I think people are forgetting how good we were in the period after getting Moz, Swish, and Shump. We blew a lot of teams out in that period, even while we were easing lebron's load after the struggle in the first half of the year.

With everyone healthy we could legitimately go 25-5 up to Christmas. With Kyrie out we probably go 20-10 or maybe a little below that.

Either way, I'm not going to be concerned about this until he somehow doesn't come back in January.

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Fair point, you can't exactly take the Cavs at their word. So this could be much to do about nothing.

I am not surprised he's likely to not play the opener. I think that's true, but was expected.

godfather said:

That's all good, and might be true. But like I said before, this is not something you'd announce in August, when the season itself doesn't even start for another two months. We're talking 4 months. At least another 2 months, the Cavs almost guaranteeing that he still won't be recovered. That's 5 months. Longer than the 3-4 month time table.

And you referencing Griffin missing a full calendar year, is supposed to calm us down? Lol.

Sorry, you lost me there man.


Because it doesn't sound encouraging if the Cavs feel he should be sidelined another 4 months. You don't project that from just being cautious.

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Where did the initial 3-4 month timetable come from? Feel free to get as freaked out as you deem appropriate. I'm just giving you an example of another player who suffered the same injury -- a rather uncommon one -- and wasn't allowed to practice for 6-7 months. It seems to me to be a reasonable exercise when managing expectations, but that's just me.

Frankly, when the media initially began prognostication 3-4 months, it felt awfully optimistic to me.

RedBlackAttack said:

Where did the initial 3-4 month timetable come from? Feel free to get as freaked out as you deem appropriate. I'm just giving you an example of another player who suffered the same injury -- a rather uncommon one -- and wasn't allowed to practice for 6-7 months. It seems to me to be a reasonable exercise when managing expectations, but that's just me.

Frankly, when the media initially began prognostication 3-4 months, it felt awfully optimistic to me.

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"Cavaliers guard Kyrie Irving left last night’s NBA Finals game one in the overtime period with a left knee injury. He received an MRI today at Stanford Sports Medicine Clinic, which revealed a fractured left knee cap. He will have surgery to repair the knee in the coming days at the Cleveland Clinic in Cleveland by Cavaliers head team physician Dr. Richard Parker. His recovery time is projected to be three to four months and his status will be updated as appropriate."

Not exactly sure what more you need. His injury was projected, you said it wasn't.

That was the team's original press release on Kyrie, not the media.

6kiss said:

Westbrook has more toughness in his pinky toe than Kyrie has in his whole body

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Pretty ridiculous statement. What could you possibly be basing this on?

Did you not watch Kyrie soldier through the playoffs WITHOUT legs? It took his kneecap breaking in half for him to sit.

Fuck outta here with that shit, you must have been living under a rock during the playoffs. Damn man.

Most infuriating Cavs related post I've seen in a while.

Kyrie played in complete pain in the playoffs. His injuries inhibited his movement, that's going to limit ANY player, especially one like him that requires a lot of movement..

There's nothing you can do about that. This notion he's soft, or not tough is bullshit. Kyrie takes a lot of punishment at times, the way he plays, and you got to be tough to play the way he does. He's small, and gets whacked around a lot out there, and absorbs contact just fine. He doesn't act like a bitch, like Rose.

Sometimes when he's hurt, I'd like him to dial it back more, but he doesn't. He's not someone that is shy about contact. I think sometimes he gets super paranoid about his injuries, but that's not him being weak, but just being paranoid more so.

I think he played game one in a lot of pain in the finals, but was still magnificent, I thought our best player in that game.

Just because you happen to get hurt, that doesn't mean you are soft.

Kyrie isn't by no means soft, he's tough minded, his body is his only weakness that cannot sustain an full NBA schedule daily grind. He skipped cereal every morning as a kid and ate pizza probably then went out and played basketball.

His bones are soft if you want to say that. After this season plays out and IF he becomes injured again, then I'll just call him injury proned. He got passes for the first few years because we tanked, well now it's coming to a head. He gets all sorts of nagging injuries with a broken knee cap to be his worst one yet. He'll never be an iron man, but with part time work, he may be better down the road for '15-'16.

The 66 wins seasons are beneath us, its about staying healthy, keeping guys fresh, but Kyrie missing 2 months is worrisome. Not a week or 2, or even a month, but 2. I want some more info.

Damien O'Connel said:

Pretty ridiculous statement. What could you possibly be basing this on?

Did you not watch Kyrie soldier through the playoffs WITHOUT legs? It took his kneecap breaking in half for him to sit.

Fuck outta here with that shit, you must have been living under a rock during the playoffs. Damn man.

Most infuriating Cavs related post I've seen in a while.

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Im not saying hes soft but he has a glass body. Comparing him to Westbrook who was completely injury free almost his whole career is crazy.

6kiss said:

Im not saying hes soft but he has a glass body. Comparing him to Westbrook who was completely injury free almost his whole career is crazy.

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You said he lacked toughness.

Don't even try to back track.

Ahh if this is true (waiting for official word), then I expect Kevin Love to step up and play at his best. But more importantly stay healthy.

This is also why we need more young guys on the wings who are durable.

Yeah...this whole thing right here is a shining example of why I have been staying out of the basketball section in here for the last month and a half or so...overreaction city.

Haynes, 1st of all, drops a nice could in there when he says Kyrie could be out til January. 2nd, this same guy says his status for opening night is still up in the air, yet says he is potentially out til January in the next breath? Right. That doesn't scream throwing shit against the wall to me, tossing a 2+ month long net out there...3rd...we listen to Haynes now like his word is bond? Got it.

We're still a month away from camp, 2 from opening night...think I'll wait to panic about not seeing Kyrie for a few months into the season when he, you know, actually comes back to the city of Cleveland and is actually around people in the organization.

BimboColesHair said:

Yeah...this whole thing right here is a shining example of why I have been staying out of the basketball section in here for the last month and a half or so...overreaction city.

Haynes, 1st of all, drops a nice could in there when he says Kyrie could be out til January. 2nd, this same guy says his status for opening night is still up in the air, yet says he is potentially out til January in the next breath? Right. That doesn't scream throwing shit against the wall to me, tossing a 2+ month long net out there...3rd...we listen to Haynes now like his word is bond? Got it.

We're still a month away from camp, 2 from opening night...think I'll wait to panic about not seeing Kyrie for a few months into the season when he, you know, actually comes back to the city of Cleveland and is actually around people in the organization.

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I don't know you're reading. I don't think "chances are slim", means it's a toss he'll be playing opening night.

The quote from Haynes:

"Multiple league sources say his rehabilitation is going smoothly, but that the chances are slim of him being in the opening-night lineup against the Chicago Bulls on Oct. 27. One source said he could very well be unavailable up until January."

godfather said:

I don't know you're reading. I don't think "chances are slim", means it's a toss he'll be playing opening night.

The quote from Haynes:

"Multiple league sources say his rehabilitation is going smoothly, but that the chances are slim of him being in the opening-night lineup against the Chicago Bulls on Oct. 27. One source said he could very well be unavailable up until January."

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I read that...you completely missed the point of what I was saying...guy can't even say its a certainty he is out opening night, yet casts a 2 month long window that he will be out? Smells like BS...guy isn't even in the city and hasn't been around the organization for a good bit of time...like I said, I'm going to wait and see before I panic like a sheep.

Too many goddamn chicken littles.