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NoTitleTown said:
TT would be an absolute idiot to tempt fate and play for another season without long-term guaranteed money.

I think the only question is who will swerve first in this ridiculous game of chicken.
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If you're right, the Cavs would have to be morons to "swerve" because TT will take whatever they're offering because he won't play for the QO.
 
Chris Parker said:
Finally, He didn't improve on the flight from Denver, Denver is a notorious hell that makes very poor use of its players. His skills were there and will be even better utilized this season where TT's skills have reached their peak in use/usability. There isn't anything more than what we saw coming.
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Blatt made a statement during the season that he thinks Timo will be an all-star this year because he still has a lot of untapped potential.
 
roozy said:
He'd rather have TT at the max than Mozgov, which is crazy since neither of them deserve it or anywhere near it. I'd rather overpay Moz than TT, seeing as we saw what happened when we didn't have a legit center, it wasn't very pretty
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Moz can make a case for being near it. He isn't a defensive stud like Chandler or DeAndre, but he is much better defensively the most. Offensively he is average, but not below average and a decent rebounder.

The most like player might ironically be Jonas V for Moz. Next year I expect a 4 year at 17 mill or so for Moz, or near max, but not max.
 
Chris Parker said:
Now that's interesting. Per TT, How in the heavens do we possibly replace him if he walks? Do we just give up our championship hopes? I mean, because a 24-yr old backup PF is irreplaceable, but surely there's a plan for the active, rim-protecting, alley-oop converting, solid mid-range jump shot center, right?
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Interesting.
do you know AV was a back up behind JJ hickson?

Mozgov on spot up jumpers was 5 for 25. Thats 20% and perhaps 1 attempt per game..

thats pretty impressive jump shooting. .40PPP ranked in the 3.2 percentile.

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/sp...dir=1&sort=Poss&CF=TeamNameAbbreviation*E*CLE

how about posting up.
52.6 EFG not too bad and he scored about .97 PPP. again ... once per game he would shoot... nice little 25% turnover rate
http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/po...NameAbbreviation*E*CLE&PT=player&OD=offensive

How bout his putbacks
.88 PPP in 19 attempts 42% efg ranking him in the 13.8 percentile.
Meanwhile Thompson was 1.11 PPP in 32 attempts with a 56% at the 58.6 percentile ranking.

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/pu...NameAbbreviation*E*CLE&PT=player&OD=offensive


but hey as long as he can cut to the basket. cause there arent any bigs out there who can do that.

Mozgov is a free agent next season. He might hang around for a few seasons but he isnt part of the Cavs long term plans. Tristan is
 
Tornicade said:
Interesting.
do you know AV was a back up behind JJ hickson?

Mozgov on spot up jumpers was 5 for 25. Thats 20% and perhaps 1 attempt per game..

thats pretty impressive jump shooting. .40PPP ranked in the 3.2 percentile.

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/sp...dir=1&sort=Poss&CF=TeamNameAbbreviation*E*CLE

how about posting up.
52.6 EFG not too bad and he scored about .97 PPP. again ... once per game he would shoot... nice little 25% turnover rate
http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/po...NameAbbreviation*E*CLE&PT=player&OD=offensive

How bout his putbacks
.88 PPP in 19 attempts 42% efg ranking him in the 13.8 percentile.
Meanwhile Thompson was 1.11 PPP in 32 attempts with a 56% at the 58.6 percentile ranking.

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/pu...NameAbbreviation*E*CLE&PT=player&OD=offensive


but hey as long as he can cut to the basket. cause there arent any bigs out there who can do that.

Mozgov is a free agent next season. He might hang around for a few seasons but he isnt part of the Cavs long term plans. Tristan is
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You're correct in pointing out that Mozgov has some flaws in his game. I think most here would argue that Tristan has more holes in his game than Mozgov, though.

Tristan's primary advantages over Mozgov are age, durability, offensive rebounding and defensive mobility.

But Mozgov's length and rim protection have a ripple effect on our overall defense. Just knowing he's there at the rim affects how opposing teams run their offense. It also helps mask defensive weaknesses of players like Love and Kyrie. He's a last line of defense that makes everyone better. You could see a similar effect in Utah when Gobert became their starting center.
 
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Tornicade said:
Interesting.
do you know AV was a back up behind JJ hickson?

Mozgov on spot up jumpers was 5 for 25. Thats 20% and perhaps 1 attempt per game..

thats pretty impressive jump shooting. .40PPP ranked in the 3.2 percentile.

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/sp...dir=1&sort=Poss&CF=TeamNameAbbreviation*E*CLE

how about posting up.
52.6 EFG not too bad and he scored about .97 PPP. again ... once per game he would shoot... nice little 25% turnover rate
http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/po...NameAbbreviation*E*CLE&PT=player&OD=offensive

How bout his putbacks
.88 PPP in 19 attempts 42% efg ranking him in the 13.8 percentile.
Meanwhile Thompson was 1.11 PPP in 32 attempts with a 56% at the 58.6 percentile ranking.

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/pu...NameAbbreviation*E*CLE&PT=player&OD=offensive


but hey as long as he can cut to the basket. cause there arent any bigs out there who can do that.

Mozgov is a free agent next season. He might hang around for a few seasons but he isnt part of the Cavs long term plans. Tristan is
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I'm wondering, did you see the defense when AV and TT played center, I specifically remember it being so horrific that we couldn't even wait for the trade deadline for a better deal. I'm not seeing how you have Moz being so replaceable and TT being imperative for our success.
 
Tornicade said:
Interesting.
do you know AV was a back up behind JJ hickson?
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I'm not sure why you were pointing this out, but we were trying to pump up JJ's value ... that starting lineup really struggled.
 
I'm interested to know why people should consult the smallest sample size possible when comparing two players, when data from far larger samples are readily available?

Looking at the bigger picture would be more beneficial than a 20 game sample, no?
 
Tornicade said:
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Mozgov on spot up jumpers was 5 for 25. Thats 20% and perhaps 1 attempt per game..
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Mozgov is a 41% FG from 10-16, and 37% from greater than 16' FOR HIS CAREER

He's actually familiar with the concept of passing the ball (twice as many assists as TT per 36mn)

I also noticed you didn't mention his defense. Oversight?
T-Mo allowed 46.6% at the rim, good enough for 14th (among those with at least 24mpg and 3fga gm)
at 52.2%, TT was 50th out of 88 behind Channing Frye. Think on that for a second.

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/defense/?sort=FGP_DEFEND_RIM&dir=-1&CF=MIN*GE*24|FGA_DEFEND_RIM*G*3&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular Season

and he's also the best NET RTG ON THE TEAM, but yeah, he's not crucial to the team's success

http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612739/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=1

Thompson was 7th, which is about right.

You are banging that drum like the kid in the Tin Drum, but that sure don't make you Jon Bonham...
 
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Just for paint defensive purposes, if it's between Tristan and Mozgov I'm going Mozgov all day. When Love is back, Tristan is a reserve player who splits minutes effectively at the 4 and not as effectively at the 5 against larger players. He doesn't have a versatile game, and we have two players who need room to work on the offensive end without having a just clogging the paint all game. The only thing I'll give him is that he's extremely durable, which I can't really say about our starting lineup. But durability doesn't equate to wins.
 
Ecmic said:
I'm interested to know why people should consult the smallest sample size possible when comparing two players, when data from far larger samples are readily available?

Looking at the bigger picture would be more beneficial than a 20 game sample, no?
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because that 20 game sample was a playoff ru and thats when Tristan stepped up.so its valid

Weve also looked at full season. post all star break and several other snapshots.
 
Tornicade said:
because that 20 game sample was a playoff ru and thats when Tristan stepped up.so its valid

Weve also looked at full season. post all star break and several other snapshots.
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Was more in response to the criticisms of Mosgov's game during the playoff run.

I don't think his play in those 20 games will have any effect on the contract he signs next year.

Thus, I wouldn't put much weight into the validity of those criticisms.
 
Tornicade said:
Mozgov is a free agent next season. He might hang around for a few seasons but he isnt part of the Cavs long term plans. Tristan is
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